Immigration reform really heating up

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Shoot those crossing the border illegally, on the spot.

You would have made an excellent border patrol agent for East Germany.

[sjr09 155]

It's interesting that the word "lesbian" is seen as a TOS violation by the VJ mod squad, and has to be purged from a post.

Meanwhile calls to violence and murder are allowed to stand.

I don't know what's more disgusting. The calls for violent murder, or the arbitrary suppression of speech. Both are so thoroughly un-American it makes me nauseous to see them here day-in and day-out.

Maybe their heterosexual, homophobics?

Edited April 25, 2010 by sjr09

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

You want to know whats really disgusting? Dario Sattui who has built his little wine empire on the backs of illegal immigration and then has the audacity to tell local governments that they should cut the pensions of firefighters and effectively run the government like he has his winery.

Lol so according to him we should hire all the illegals and employ them in USCIS for 3.00 an hour! How ironic would that be.

Edited April 25, 2010 by Sousuke

[peejay 327]

You would have made an excellent border patrol agent for East Germany.

This type of imagery in reference to the US/Mexico border is misleading and inappropriate. The US is not at war with Mexico, but has every right to secure our border, protect our sovereignty, and protect our country from unauthorized illegal intrusion. References to shooting unarmed illegal aliens are also inappropriate. That ain't happening and won't be happening in the future. It really pisses me off when ignorant people compare the US/Mexico border fence and border security with the Berlin Wall. We are trying to keep unauthorized illegal activity out of our country rather than keeping our own people prisoners. The comparison to communist Germany is ludicrous.

That said...if Federal law enforcement is not up to task of securing our border and protecting US interests along the border...the US military should be involved with clear guidelines as to when the use of force is appropriate. Our present government is failing us in this regard and has been for decades. The problem is not with Canada either. Mexico is 99% of the problem.

[scandal 951]

This type of imagery in reference to the US/Mexico border is misleading and inappropriate. The US is not at war with Mexico, but has every right to secure our border, protect our sovereignty, and protect our country from unauthorized illegal intrusion. References to shooting unarmed illegal aliens are also inappropriate. That ain't happening and won't be happening in the future. It really pisses me off when ignorant people compare the US/Mexico border fence and border security with the Berlin Wall. We are trying to keep unauthorized illegal activity out of our country rather than keeping our own people prisoners. The comparison to communist Germany is ludicrous.

That said...if Federal law enforcement is not up to task of securing our border and protecting US interests along the border...the US military should be involved with clear guidelines as to when the use of force is appropriate. Our present government is failing us in this regard and has been for decades. The problem is not with Canada either. Mexico is 99% of the problem.

I agree with you Peejay. The Mexican border is clearly not the East/West German border. The United States is not an authoritarian police society.

I believe that what Big Dog meant in his post and those photos was NOT to suggest that our border IS the same as the Cold War GDR frontier. Rather, that the earlier offensive poster who wrote "Shoot those crossing the border illegally, on the spot" ... "would have made an excellent border patrol agent for East Germany".

In other words - the reference to GDR tactics was targeted to someone who openly advocated murder, and not our own US border or US authorities manning that border who most clearly do no such thing.

I'm glad to see that you wrote "References to shooting unarmed illegal aliens are also inappropriate." I agree with you on that point, as well as much of the rest of your post.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

This type of imagery in reference to the US/Mexico border is misleading and inappropriate. The US is not at war with Mexico, but has every right to secure our border, protect our sovereignty, and protect our country from unauthorized illegal intrusion. References to shooting unarmed illegal aliens are also inappropriate. That ain't happening and won't be happening in the future. It really pisses me off when ignorant people compare the US/Mexico border fence and border security with the Berlin Wall. We are trying to keep unauthorized illegal activity out of our country rather than keeping our own people prisoners. The comparison to communist Germany is ludicrous.

That said...if Federal law enforcement is not up to task of securing our border and protecting US interests along the border...the US military should be involved with clear guidelines as to when the use of force is appropriate. Our present government is failing us in this regard and has been for decades. The problem is not with Canada either. Mexico is 99% of the problem.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I agree with you Peejay. The Mexican border is clearly not the East/West German border. The United States is not an authoritarian police society.

I believe that what Big Dog meant in his post and those photos was NOT to suggest that our border IS the same as the Cold War GDR frontier. Rather, that the earlier offensive poster who wrote "Shoot those crossing the border illegally, on the spot" ... "would have made an excellent border patrol agent for East Germany".

In other words - the reference to GDR tactics was targeted to someone who openly advocated murder, and not our own US border or US authorities manning that border who most clearly do no such thing.

I'm glad to see that you wrote "References to shooting unarmed illegal aliens are also inappropriate." I agree with you on that point, as well as much of the rest of your post.

Actually, I consider someone crossing the border illegally, the same as invading a sovereign nation. The only punishment for said crimes is death. Period. Unless of course they somehow make it it, then a trial and deportation would be required, just as with a POW.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Actually, I consider someone crossing the border illegally, the same as invading a sovereign nation. The only punishment for said crimes is death. Period. Unless of course they somehow make it it, then a trial and deportation would be required, just as with a POW.

Sounds like you have issues! Good luck with that!

[Danno 1,228]

No need to shoot invaders, the punishment must be weighed against the crime.

I would opt for a hell hole detention center where someone caught invading would spend about 6 or 8 months in a safe but harsh camp... awaiting processing.

The catch and released type action is silly.

[natty bumppo 297]

page 1 ... non usc ...

why do they care?

[peejay 327]

I smell another illegal alien cheerleader.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

What is considered reform? I hope broad-brushed amnesty is not considered reform.

First off, these guys should not be rewarded. If they are to be granted anything, it should be a green card with a path to citizen. Second but most importantly, what the hell is the government going to go to prevent another wave? This is what everyone with a drop of common sense should be asking.

For example:

• Biometric SSC
  
• E-verify be mandatory
  
• $15K on-the-spot fine for the business (per offense) and $3K on-the-spot personal fine for offending managers.
  
• Fifth separate offense resulting in prison and the sale of the business.
  
• Implement a temp work visa but mandate that the immigrants must be paid the same rate as if a resident was to do the work. Thus, no exploitation.
  
• Ensure visas are handed out equitable. Why should Latin America hog 80% of visa's to the US?
  

I just have a bad feeling the dems are going to rush on ideology and pass it without any adequate measures apart from slight modification of the current measures. Therefore, in 15 years it will be the same deal all over again. It's already evident in numerous articles and blogs that people erroneously blur the line of illegal aliens with legal immigration.

You have so bought into the political game. Congratulations. You have been snookered along with most Americans.

All this is about is political gamesmanship. Democrats need some more voters, so they will give amnesty to the illegals who will now have a path to citizenship and a way to vote for democrats that gave them amnesty. They will also, as legal immigrants, need to demand minimum wage, Socisal security etc. and since they are not educated and do not speak the language well, they will be unemployed and collect welfare. This will make them dependent on the Democrats which the Democrats like.

But what about the Republicans? The now unemployed, but legal, immigrants will create millions of slave openings in the underclass labor market and millions new illegals will pour across the border to fill their place as underpaid, exploited slaves. Reoublicans will have their cheap labor force and the politicians will have pulled off another conscriptuion of slaves.

This is about slavery. This is about passing laws to protect workers and then providing a work force exempt from those protections (and the associated costs). This can be ended ONLY by ending the econmic incetive for slavery. Draconian taxes on employers that employ illegals...enough to cause their property to be seized to pay the tax, would eliminate the economic incetive for slaves and slave owners.

we need a HUGE tax on the employment of illegal aliens. We need to require ALL persons seeking medical attention to prove they are legally present in the country, except for life saving procedures, and we need to require ALL persons seeking to enroll in any educational institution to prove they are legally present in the USA. If we do this, slavery will end and the slaves will WALK back to freedom, universal health care and worker protection laws in their own country.

Anything else is racist smoke and mirrors to promote the enslavement of the brown people

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Actually, I consider someone crossing the border illegally, the same as invading a sovereign nation. The only punishment for said crimes is death. Period. Unless of course they somehow make it it, then a trial and deportation would be required, just as with a POW.

Huh, that's not very libertarian of you is it. From your post I assume then that you would support Iran putting those three US hikers on a firing squad line.

No need to shoot invaders, the punishment must be weighed against the crime.

I would opt for a hell hole detention center where someone caught invading would spend about 6 or 8 months in a safe but harsh camp... awaiting processing.

The catch and released type action is silly.

Again like the Iranians? You must be a member of the Revolutionary Guard willing to kill the innocent.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

When someone cannot make a logical argument, they resort to the Berlin wall or silly pictures.

Berlin Wall was mainly there to prevent their own people from leaving.

Hey hey, nutty poo is here. You mean "they" like your foreign spouse.

How do you argue logically with those who are so illogical they would shoot all those who illegally cross our border? Or someone as illogical as you so often are for that matter?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

this topic always brings about the most ridiculous comments and no one addresses the elephant in the room. The Berlin wall (as with all border walls) keeps people IN, t does not keep people OUT. Do you think the West Germans were rtying to get IN?????? They shot people trying to LEAVE, not people trying to get in. I do not want a wall to keep me IN.

This is about racism and slavery. This is about the desire of both political parties to have a race of people they can exploit and use for their political gain. allowing illegals to stay is continuing the enslavement of people for political gain and corporate profit, that is all. There is no need for a wall, to shoot anyone there is no need to check their green cards or deport anyone. Simply make it impossible for someone here illegally to LIVE, work and get schooling or medical attention and they WILL LEAVE because you will reverse the economic incentive for them to be here. Then they will be free and not subject to abuse.

Sosouke at least came close with his description of the winery in CA, THAT is what the politicians are doing and what the people who, supposedly, support illegals are doing. They are simply insuring a safety valve, a class of people not covered by the protections given to "white people" so that they can pretend to care at the same trime they simply want to exploit and abuse