Arizona Immigration Law, Is this true?

[Ali G. 37]

Now that I have read a little more into it, we already have these laws in various counties up here. It just has not been implemented on a state level, hence little coverage of it. Same horseshit arguments were used against it here. However, for once the local government listened to we the people rather than the few, thus democracy prevailed. Guess what, it worked, many willing moved to Maryland.

Edited April 24, 2010 by Ali G.

[justashooter 430]

NO, they have to have probably cause.

this varies by state law. in some states an officer can ask you to verbally identify yourself with name and DOB.

[_Simpson_ 250]

IMO people are overreacting, this is a very reasonable bill.

The great Obama believes its "misguided" I wish we could get some specifics to why he thinks this bill is "misguided". Obama's whole response to this reeked of your typical political BS answer. I'll bet you he hasn't even looked at the bill yet.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

IMO people are overreacting, this is a very reasonable bill.

The great Obama believes its "misguided" I wish we could get some specifics to why he thinks this bill is "misguided". Obama's whole response to this reeked of your typical political BS answer. I'll bet you he hasn't even looked at the bill yet.

He probably thinks it's misguided because it could mean sending almost half a million future Democrats out of the country. You can't give amnesty to someone who isn't here.

[_Simpson_ 250]

He probably thinks it's misguided because it could mean sending almost half a million future Democrats out of the country. You can't give amnesty to someone who isn't here.

True

[Brother Hesekiel 2,235]

He probably thinks it's misguided because it could mean sending almost half a million future Democrats out of the country. You can't give amnesty to someone who isn't here.

Quite an interesting assumption, Jim.

You may have noticed that many immigrants are rather conservative when it comes to immigration. Another interesting phenomenon is the "boat if full syndrome," where former immigrants, illegal or not, once they become US citizens, feel that enough is enough and vote for strict enforcement on many issues, immigration laws included. Frankly, I don't see how you can come to such a conclusion. The only basis for it I would see if you know the numbers or percentage of Hispanic voters who either promote or oppose the Arizona bill.

Do you have such poll numbers?

[Kar_98 10]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/23/immigration.faq/index.html

What does the Arizona law do?

Arizona's law orders immigrants to carry their alien registration documents at all times

That's dumb. I'm already required to do that by Federal law.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,235]

Right . . . but the cops are not allowed to ask you for it or even ask us for our immigrations status, if any, hence no need to carry the thing with you.

In Arizona cops now are required to ask if they feel the guy with the dripping wet hair who has no ID and does not speak a word of English, may be an illegal immigrant. Duuh!

Also . . . in the US it's not illegal to be illegal in the country, hence the misnomer "illegal immigrant." Being caught, an "undocumented immigrant" will not be put in front of a judge and being convicted of anything. He will just be send back home.

That too, now changes in Arizona, where for the first time in US history it actually becomes a crime to be an undocumented immigrant.

[Ali G. 37]

Right . . . but the cops are not allowed to ask you for it or even ask us for our immigrations status, if any, hence no need to carry the thing with you.

In Arizona cops now are required to ask if they feel the guy with the dripping wet hair who has no ID and does not speak a word of English, may be an illegal immigrant. Duuh!

Also . . . in the US it's not illegal to be illegal in the country, hence the misnomer "illegal immigrant." Being caught, an "undocumented immigrant" will not be put in front of a judge and being convicted of anything. He will just be send back home.

That too, now changes in Arizona, where for the first time in US history it actually becomes a crime to be an undocumented immigrant.

Oh the audacity of change hey. I am sure many thought the same the day America abolished slavery or allowed women to vote. Perhaps, one day the US might learn from other first world countries and rule out citizenship by birth, without either parent being a citizen, as they all have rightfully done.

[mawilson 2,133]

Until they can verify your status with DHS.

I'm looking at my NJ DL right now. There's nothing on there that would indicate my legal status.

That's because you *are* legal. If you were illegal (or even a legal foreign worker

on a valid visa), your NJ DL would indicate your temporary status.

[Kevin and 10]

Moronic bullshite. What if you are a US citizen of foreign descent? Do I now need a passport to walk the streets? Or is the naturalization certificate going to be required to be carried around? How about born US citizens of foreign descent / appearance? Birth certificate required to walk the streets? This is the greatest offense on the US constitution that I've seen.

No, that would be the Patriot Act and other EOs over the past 8 years.

[mawilson 2,133]

Moronic bullshite. What if you are a US citizen of foreign descent? Do I now need a passport to walk the streets?

A passport card or one of these.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Moronic bullshite. What if you are a US citizen of foreign descent? Do I now need a passport to walk the streets? Or is the naturalization certificate going to be required to be carried around? How about born US citizens of foreign descent / appearance? Birth certificate required to walk the streets? This is the greatest offense on the US constitution that I've seen.

Geez you must have gottin pissed when your employer asked for it.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I think we determined that it only really matters if you commit a major offense and therefore at that stage just because the police suspect your illegal it will the least of your worries.