Obama has failed this family

[Ali G. 37]

If you seriously believe that everyone you don't like or doesn't behave in a manner you approve of should be jailed, sterilised or otherwise forced (by force) to comply with your desires, it makes me wonder whether your dad was the school bully

Yes Pike that is exactly what I said. Are you seriously still playing this exaggerate what others have said game? Why not just come out and claim I said [somewhere] that babies of x color should all be drowned.

Yeah I don't share your paranoia with rules and law. I don't view proactive changes like cameras in public places, attempts to reduce sodium or holding people accountable as some sort of government takeover or attempt to exterminate the poor. I also don't think speaking up against such idiocy is simply old man fist waving. After all since I am paying for it, surely I should have the right to mention where my money goes.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Your idea of government involves a police state where everyone who doesn't behave in a certain way is beaten over the head with a stick.

And no, you have no real say in where *your* money goes at the individual level.

[Ali G. 37]

Its just a shame that you spend all your time and effort coming up with unworkable ideas to tackle problems that are impossible to solve.

Society isn't perfect, get used to it.

And if you really want to participate in changing the country, apply for citizenship and go into local politics. Stop spending all your time bellyaching about it on bloody forums!

Apply for citizenship! Have you seen the constitution I would have to swear to uphold? Hell to the No. I commend the English system and prefer it by a long shot.

I enjoy discussing such topics on here to gauge people's opinions or lack of. While being a hater in the past, I now prefer forums as you don't get into trouble. Imagine you and I were somehow related, we'd hate each other. Yet on a forum, we can disagree with each other all we like, yet simply do our thing once we sign off. It's not as if we'd have to see each other over dinner.

[Ali G. 37]

Your idea of government involves a police state where everyone who doesn't behave in a certain way is beaten over the head with a stick.

No, what I believe is that the punishment should fit the crime. I also believe methods of punishment in the past, in Europe and Australia, worked well and should be brought back. For example, punishment for all to see and realize that if they break the same laws, they will be next. Sending people to prison is simply a warehousing project and does nothing whatsoever to reduce crime or prevent repeat offenses.

If there is anyone who knows about punishment, it was the Australian convicts. Unlike cotton picking slaves, those guys were actually tortured and treated worse than maggots.

Edited April 24, 2010 by Ali G.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No, what I believe is that the punishment should fit the crime. I also believe methods of punishment in the past, in Europe and Australia, worked well and should be brought back. For example, punishment for all to see and realize that if they break the same laws, they will be next. Sending people to prison is simply a warehousing project and does nothing whatsoever to reduce crime or prevent repeat offenses.

If there is anyone who knows about punishment, it was the Australian convicts. Unlike cotton picking slaves, those guys were actually tortured and treated worse than maggots.

Having a lot of kids is not a "Crime".

[Ban Hammer 13,408]

Having a lot of kids is not a "Crime".

not until one's uterus falls out.

[Susita 175]

not until one's uterus falls out.

or explodes.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Having a lot of kids is not a "Crime".

Should be, or at least a case for forced sterilization. That includes dead beat dads, and welfare moms.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Should be, or at least a case for forced sterilization. That includes dead beat dads, and welfare moms.

Forced sterilization is barbaric.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Forced sterilization is barbaric.

It works mate! We are just preventing them from abusing the kindness of the system any further.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Who is "we"?

Seriously, you think that this barbaric solution is justifiable just because you read an article about an extreme case and feel that "something" must be done.

You and BY could do with popping a few Valium and staying away from the news. Clearly it gets you overexcited

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Why is it barbaric? Sounds extremely humane to me. They can still screw their brains out. The only difference, is that they cannot compound their abuse of the system any further.

"We" is the collective "we the people."

[Mark&Gladys 0]

"My family has been railroaded. Someone needs to pay."

What does she mean by this? Should I pay for her 12 kids? I guess cases like this is why you cannot offer social programs here because people will simply abuse them. So while some of us work 40 to 60 hours a week, she has kids.

I guess this is US freedom at its finest.

The only "railroad" is the one between her legs! Get a clue and keep your legs together.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Aren't the problem people part of "we the people" too, or is it just convenient to forget that when you're using your own righteous indignation to justify subjecting them to abuse?

[Peikko 1,575]

One would think after the sixth fatherless child, while being on welfare, a flag would trigger that we have a problem. I have no problem with her having 20 kids, if she pays for them all herself.

Ah Cleo, nice try but once white collar fraudsters are caught,they go to jail and more often than not, for a very long time. Whereas, this lady is free as a bird to do as she pleases and even has the nerve to say, and I quote, "My family has been railroaded. Someone needs to pay.". But anyway, I'd like to go back to this it doesn't cost us anything and start putting some numbers on paper.

At a cost of approximately $13k per child without insurance, her births cost us $156K. I already estimated that is would cost well over $1.5 million to educate her children. What about the hotel room she is staying in? $50 a night = $18K a year. How about clothing, food etc? $600 a week = $31.2K. How many other idiots like this are there out there apparently not costing us anything? To add insult to injury, she does not work. But hey, I am sure you endorse she just sit at home, spread her legs (frrreeeeedddoooom) and then have others pay.

White collar criminals are rarely even targeted, let alone caught, and when they are caught they rarely spend any appreciable time in jail, meanwhile you blather on and on about something that happens so rarely and costs so little in comparison with so many other ills it beggars belief.