Arizona Bill Cracks Down on Illegal Immigration

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

My wife is a LPR and she proudly carries and shows here documentation.

We were having dinner one night and there were two state police at the table next to us, she just had to show them her Green Card.

The po-po asked for her papers while she was having dinner? That's either a load of BS or you live in Nazi Germany.

[PhiLandShiR 18]

Bingo. This is key.

NO. The courts have already ruled on this matter.

My wife is a naturalized American citizen who speaks English with an accent. Let's say her car breaks down on the highway and a nice cop man pulls over to assist. The cop has now made lawful contact with her and notices a female who could easily be mistaken for a Hispanic female, in her 30's, with an accent.

Does the cop have reasonable cause to believe she's an alien and demand documentation?

NO!! She broke no law and they have no probable cause.

It would all come down to the personal prejudices of the cop, wouldn't it?

[PhiLandShiR 18]

The po-po asked for her papers while she was having dinner? That's either a load of BS or you live in Nazi Germany.

Where did Craneman say the cops asked for anything????

He simply stated that his wife is proud to show her card when ever she can. From the context of his post I would bet she even asked the cops if they wanted to see it!!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

NO!! She broke no law and they have no probable cause.

This is text directly from the proposed law:

E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

Is illegal presence in the US a "public offense"?

Yes, it is.

So.. if the cop sees my wife and if he simply has probable cause to believe she's illegal, he can ask her to produce her docs.

It is highly recommended you read something before you defend it.

He simply stated that his wife is proud to show her card when ever she can.

ok. weird, but possible.

[Craneman 2]

No they did not.

She Started a conversation and she proudly showed them her Green Card.

They replied that they could not ask her for her Green Card to begin with.

She is proud to be here leaglly and does not like the illegals here.She has met a few Brasilians who are illegals, she does not want anthing to do with law breakers.

Her stance is, Illegal is Illegal.

The po-po asked for her papers while she was having dinner? That's either a load of BS or you live in Nazi Germany.

[Ali G. 37]

This is text directly from the proposed law:

E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

Is illegal presence in the US a "public offense"? Yes, it is. So.. if the cop sees my wife and if he simply has probable cause to believe she's illegal, he can ask her to produce her docs.

It is highly recommended you read something before you defend it.

Arrest and question are two different things. public offense is what I have been arguing all day and trying to show Pike. So spare us the baseless 'because she looks brown' horseshit. Especially in this country were you can sue silly for stuff like that.

Edited April 21, 2010 by Ali G.

[Craneman 2]

You need to learn to read!

This is text directly from the proposed law:

E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

Is illegal presence in the US a "public offense"?

Yes, it is.

So.. if the cop sees my wife and if he simply has probable cause to believe she's illegal, he can ask her to produce her docs.

It is highly recommended you read something before you defend it.

ok. weird, but possible.

[Ali G. 37]

I'm just wondering how that fits in with your stated positions that:on the basis of crime statistics that all blacks and hispanics should have diminished rights because odds are that they are likely to be criminals.

Unless that was just total bull$hit.

Actually that was a joke.

What is not a joke is the 30 to 1 ratio African Americans have, when compared to Australians, regarding committing murder (per capita).

Edited April 21, 2010 by Ali G.

[PhiLandShiR 18]

PROBABLE CAUSE:

A circumstance that leads a law enforcement official to reasonably believe that you have commited a crime.

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Stopping to assist your wife because of a auto break down would not meet this standard.

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Racial profiling is the inclusion of racial or ethnic characteristics in determining whether a person is considered likely to commit a particular type of crime or an illegal act or to behave in a "predictable" manner.

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The courts have shut down using racial profiling in recent years. Any attempt to try this would be very costly to the police department that trys it.

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I thought we were debating based on current law not proposed law....

At any rate, the police have always been able to arrest based on probable cause, with or without a warrent...

This is text directly from the proposed law:

E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

Is illegal presence in the US a "public offense"?

Yes, it is.

So.. if the cop sees my wife and if he simply has probable cause to believe she's illegal, he can ask her to produce her docs.

It is highly recommended you read something before you defend it.

ok. weird, but possible.

Edited April 21, 2010 by PhiLandShiR

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

No they did not.

She Started a conversation and she proudly showed them her Green Card.

They replied that they could not ask her for her Green Card to begin with.

She is proud to be here leaglly and does not like the illegals here.She has met a few Brasilians who are illegals, she does not want anthing to do with law breakers.

Her stance is, Illegal is Illegal.

A nation wide sweep would do the trick. They would just have to ask everyone once be it purple blue brown black yellow red white. Boot illegals! then the deed would be done. Then the pro illegal folks here couldnt pull the race card.

[Ali G. 37]

PROBABLE CAUSE:

A circumstance that leads a law enforcement official to reasonably believe that you have commited a crime.

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Stopping to assist your wife because of a auto break down would not meet this standard.

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Racial profiling is the inclusion of racial or ethnic characteristics in determining whether a person is considered likely to commit a particular type of crime or an illegal act or to behave in a "predictable" manner.

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The courts have shut down using racial profiling in recent years. Any attempt to try this would be very costly to the police department that trys it.

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I thought we were debating based on current law not proposed law....

At any rate, the police have always been able to arrest based on probable cause, with or without a warrent...

Well pointed out and said. It's laughable to think that anyone is actually advocating that police in 2010 would racially profile. Also totally ignoring that contrary to AJ's personal belief, police departments are not only made up of white police officers. I was recently cited for speeding by a Hispanic officer.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Actually that was a joke.

Now THAT is a joke

[PhiLandShiR 18]

Well pointed out and said. It's laughable to think that anyone is actually advocating that police in 2010 would racially profile. Also totally ignoring that contrary to AJ's personal belief, police departments are not only made up of white police officers. I was recently cited for speeding by a Hispanic officer.

Shame on you!!!

[Ali G. 37]

Shame on you!!!

It was cunning as well. I was cited for doing 53 on a road that you would think is 50. However, it was sneakily reduced to 35. Now that ####### is what should be unconstitutional. That is, sneaky revenue raising by the county and not to my surprise it was in the ghetto.

[PhiLandShiR 18]

It was cunning as well. I was cited for doing 53 on a road that you would think is 50. However, it was sneakily reduced to 35. Now that ####### is what should be unconstitutional. That is, sneaky revenue raising by the county and not to my surprise it was in the ghetto.

In Iowa the speed reductions can only be 20 MPH between signs. So a 50 to a 25 would not work. A 50 to a 35, as in your case, would be just fine.

I would guess that the speed limit being set at 50 rather than 55 is just so they can drop it to 35 with out anyone being able to really win a suit...