Gays & Lesbians & Immigration

[The_Dude 1,142]

They could 'try' but you cannot force a church/individual to go against his religious beliefs. The suit would lose easily.

There's a big difference in 'legal' marriage and a religious ceremony.

They said the same thing when a class action lawsuit was filed against the Catholic adoption services. The basis of the suit was that the Catholic adoption services was a Catholic organization and as such, against homosexuality. Therefore, they would not place kids in gay households. The court found for the plaintiffs and essentially told the Catholic adoption services that they had to consider gay couples for adoption. Many Catholic adoption services closed instead of breaching their beliefs.

[besaangel 18]

No. Homosexuality is not a race-specific attribute.

Main Entry: rac·ism

Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\

Function: noun

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

Correct, its more like prejudice, well to most people...

[ScratchIt 12]

Discrimination, possibly.

I personally am for elimination of "marriage" in government and for all "contractual" relationships to be called "Civil Unions."

A marriage in government is nothing but a contract between two people for shared responsibility/legal beneficiary status. Beyond that, it's pointless.

The funny thing about the Federal Government allowing "married" couples now to immigrate, is that the Federal Government DOES NOT recognize marriages. Individual states do. So how the Federal Government can dictate who's 'legal' by marraige definition is beyond me. Especially if the state they are moving to allows gay marriage. If the state they are moving to doesn't allow gay marriage it's one thing, but completely different if it does... - Something interesting to think about there.

One of the areas I stated in another post the feds need to keep their noses out of.

[TracyTN 237]

It's not likely to happen any time soon. Just look at the results in California, which is considered to be by far the most liberal state in the U.S.. They voted in a law defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

I agree - will likely be a while.

[Ali G. 37]

Which isn't as big of a problem as many make it out to be. Every nation is entitled to its own unique national culture. This just happens to be part of ours. I wish it wasn't but that's besides the point.

Where the #### is A.J? Bring him back you normal #######!

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Yes, the USC could go back to Canada, where there marriage is legal, but due to family responsibilites she wont, or doesnt feel like she can right now. - but that is personal, I wanted this post to not be based on emotions, but facts.

Well, unfortunately the fact that the USC partner is unwilling to move to Canada IS a fact in this particular problem, you know?

IMO it's no different than any other couple with an immigration challenge. Haven't you seen the question here on Vj before - "would you move to your foreign partner's country if the US denies the visa"? The debates are usually lively.

We can say what we will about the unfairness of US immigration policy when it comes to partner's rights. Unfortunatly though in this case, the couple does have a choice, but the USC is unwilling to make it.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Well, unfortunately the fact that the USC partner is unwilling to move to Canada IS a fact in this particular problem, you know?

IMO it's no different than any other couple with an immigration challenge. Haven't you seen the question here on Vj before - "would you move to your foreign partner's country if the US denies the visa"? The debates are usually lively.

We can say what we will about the unfairness of US immigration policy when it comes to partner's rights. Unfortunatly though in this case, the couple does have a choice, but the USC is unwilling to make it.

This is very true.

In cases like this, you might want to 'check' your relationship.

[Darnell 8,478]

I've moved all over the world for love, this century. If I can do it, I'm of the opinion SO CAN ANYONE ELSE.

'can't move because of family reasons' ? Sorry - anything and everything can be worked out.

Move to Canada, enjoy the freedoms of an enlightened government .

re: racist - nope.

give you another alternative -

if the foreign spouse wanted to stay here, go back home, apply for investors visa, and go forth.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

Australia allows same-sex immigration, and de-facto couples immigration as well as the rest of the usual.

Once again, Australia 1, USA 0.

**Edit - they CAN immigrate to Canada. Yes it sucks the US doesn't have this policy, but then some people complain that the US doesn't allow sex-offenders to immigrate, or criminals. I'm not saying they're the same, I'm saying people have issues with all sorts of things. Immigration isn't a RIGHT, it's a privilege. Your friends have a right to be together, they just don't have the right to immigrate on the grounds of their relationship, to the USA.

I would be ticked off too if I were in their position, BUT people get denied often enough that their only choice is to go to the other country, not the US. They are fortunate to have the right to immigrate to Canada based on their relationship. Some people don't get approved simply for living in a high-fraud country. Some don't get approved because they need a co-sponsor and can't find anyone.

No-one said the entire process is fair, regardless of your sexual orientation, country of beneficiary, financial standing or myriad of other factors.

Edited April 16, 2010 by Vanessa&Tony

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Australia allows same-sex immigration, and de-facto couples immigration as well as the rest of the usual.

Once again, Australia 1, USA 0.

another one?

[Nagishkaw 510]

I've moved all over the world for love, this century. If I can do it, I'm of the opinion SO CAN ANYONE ELSE.

'can't move because of family reasons' ? Sorry - anything and everything can be worked out.

Move to Canada, enjoy the freedoms of an enlightened government .

re: racist - nope.

give you another alternative -

if the foreign spouse wanted to stay here, go back home, apply for investors visa, and go forth.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

another one?

apparently boo-yah's name is tony

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

apparently boo-yah's name is tony

thats his wife??

[VanessaTony 3,567]

thats his wife??

No indeedy it's not. Don't know Booyah from a bar of soap.

That said, Australia has won several points from the US:

- health care

- food (in many ways, including but not limited to chocolate, lollies (candy), bread, cheese...)

- real sugar (high fructose corn syrup? ick)

- our "artificial flavours" don't have the aspartame overtone so prevalent here

- higher wages, higher "minimum wage"

America wins verus Australia in reference to:

- lower prices (esp on my much desired KitchenAid mixer, half the price here)

- lower cost of living

- larger array of music

- people are here are typically "larger" so finding clothes is pretty easy

It's on par really if it wasn't for the damn food here. Sometimes I wish there was a big international food convention so you could taste what other food is out there.. then you'd be less likely to accept this swill.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

No indeedy it's not. Don't know Booyah from a bar of soap.

That said, Australia has won several points from the US:

- health care

- food (in many ways, including but not limited to chocolate, lollies (candy), bread, cheese...)

- real sugar (high fructose corn syrup? ick)

- our "artificial flavours" don't have the aspartame overtone so prevalent here

- higher wages, higher "minimum wage"

America wins verus Australia in reference to:

- lower prices (esp on my much desired KitchenAid mixer, half the price here)

- lower cost of living

- larger array of music

- people are here are typically "larger" so finding clothes is pretty easy

It's on par really if it wasn't for the damn food here. Sometimes I wish there was a big international food convention so you could taste what other food is out there.. then you'd be less likely to accept this swill.

Move to the south.

Southern food blows the living hell out of anything in the northern states. Much more variety! AND you can usually find 'real sugar' versions of ####### with the high fructose corn syrup...