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You will have to forgive me, this is a complete ranting post.

A bit of who I am. I am very open minded, non judgemental. I do not believe that religion belongs with polictics.

With that being said. I have a friend, known her for years, and as of this past February she had to leave her wife behind in the USA. Why ? Because the US immigration doesnt reconise her marriage as legal.

I was under the impression that the US wanted equality for everyone, that they are against hate crimes. That they want everyone to be free and that it is the right of every American to pursue happiness. I guess, unless they are gay and in love with someone from outside the USA.

This marriage is over 5 years, this relationship is over 8, and now it is over because immigration wont let them live together. Does this seem right ? Does this seem fair ?

Yes, the USC could go back to Canada, where there marriage is legal, but due to family responsibilites she wont, or doesnt feel like she can right now. - but that is personal, I wanted this post to not be based on emotions, but facts.

I think that the US politicians are afraid to go to the gay marriage issue, because they will offend so many religious views that they wont get re elected. But gay marriage should be there legal right, and I think immigration should stand behind there own laws. Valid relationship only, thats all you need to prove !

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Isnt this racism ?

No. Homosexuality is not a race-specific attribute.

Main Entry: rac·ism

Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\

Function: noun

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is.

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Certainly not racism. Discrimination by sexual orientation - yes. But until the US as a whole recognizes gay marriages as legal, I wouldn't expect this to change anytime soon in the immigration realm.

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Certainly not racism. Discrimination by sexual orientation - yes. But until the US as a whole recognizes gay marriages as legal, I wouldn't expect this to change anytime soon in the immigration realm.

It's not likely to happen any time soon. Just look at the results in California, which is considered to be by far the most liberal state in the U.S.. They voted in a law defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

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It's not likely to happen any time soon. Just look at the results in California, which is considered to be by far the most liberal state in the U.S.. They voted in a law defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

Which isn't as big of a problem as many make it out to be. Every nation is entitled to its own unique national culture. This just happens to be part of ours. I wish it wasn't but that's besides the point.

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It's seriously bigoted, unfair, and treated people in same-sex relationships like second-class citizens. It's bigotry, discriminatory, homophobic, small-minded, etc. - but it's obviously not racist since it has nothing to do with race. It completely goes against everything this nation was founded on (that all are created equal) and I have far too many friends who have been torn apart by this law. While I think it's absolutely absurd that we don't offer all Americans the same marriage rights, the solution to this specific problem would be very simple and not require recognition of marriages. There has been a bill in congress for many years now that would simply add "or permanent partners" to every where it says spouse in the immigration act. Same rules, responsibilities, burden of proof, and consequences for fraud. It's totally un-American that we even have to have this conversation in a nation where church and state are supposed to be separated and the minority are meant to be protected from the tyranny of the majority.

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Discrimination, possibly.

I personally am for elimination of "marriage" in government and for all "contractual" relationships to be called "Civil Unions."

A marriage in government is nothing but a contract between two people for shared responsibility/legal beneficiary status. Beyond that, it's pointless.

The funny thing about the Federal Government allowing "married" couples now to immigrate, is that the Federal Government DOES NOT recognize marriages. Individual states do. So how the Federal Government can dictate who's 'legal' by marraige definition is beyond me. Especially if the state they are moving to allows gay marriage. If the state they are moving to doesn't allow gay marriage it's one thing, but completely different if it does... - Something interesting to think about there.

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But the fact remains, that if the bible didnt say man will not lay with man, making the premise of being gay, against god. Therefore people of faith, ie: voters. Hence, religion in politics.

~~~ Hes the chance Im taking ~~~

April 2007 - Met online

Oct. 2008 - He came to Canada to meet me

Dec 25 2009 officially engaged

March 2010 - sent off I-129F

March 27 2010 - Vermont receives package :)

April 3 2010 - Informed through mail that cheque is cashed NOA1

May 28 2010 - RFE notification ( yeah Im online checking alot >.< )

June 5 2010 - RFE hardcopy received

June 18 2010 - RFE returned ( had done it June 7 - but USPS returned grrrr )

--- case says we should hear from them in 60 days from June 18 ---

June 23 - Touched

Aug4 - Email notification of NoA2 :)

Aug. 10 - NOA2 Hardcopy received

Sept. 13 - Faxed off Package 3

Sept 14 - Interview notification set for Oct. 5

Oct. 5 2010 Interview Passed

March 17 2011 POE Canadian/US border

April 1 2011 Marriage

Mailed AOS June 1

Chicago Lockbox confirms delivery June 3

Check cashed through bank - notification June 9

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But the fact remains, that if the bible didnt say man will not lay with man, making the premise of being gay, against god. Therefore people of faith, ie: voters. Hence, religion in politics.

People created religion, God and politics. Why assume they can ever truly be separated?

So how the Federal Government can dictate who's 'legal' by marraige definition is beyond me. Especially if the state they are moving to allows gay marriage. If the state they are moving to doesn't allow gay marriage it's one thing, but completely different if it does... - Something interesting to think about there.

See: Defense of Marriage Act

Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is.

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But the fact remains, that if the bible didnt say man will not lay with man, making the premise of being gay, against god. Therefore people of faith, ie: voters. Hence, religion in politics.

I am for gay marriage. However, my problem with it is that it creats a litany of legal problems for those religions who are expressly against it. What if a gay couple decides that they want to get married in a Catholic church? If it is legal for them to get married, could they sue for a violation of civil rights when the church declines?

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the question is "Will it blend?"

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies."

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But isnt the church starting to ... come into the 21st century. There are women now holding higher positions in the church. And the church, above everyone else, pushes for understanding and equality. Where does any of this make sense ?

~~~ Hes the chance Im taking ~~~

April 2007 - Met online

Oct. 2008 - He came to Canada to meet me

Dec 25 2009 officially engaged

March 2010 - sent off I-129F

March 27 2010 - Vermont receives package :)

April 3 2010 - Informed through mail that cheque is cashed NOA1

May 28 2010 - RFE notification ( yeah Im online checking alot >.< )

June 5 2010 - RFE hardcopy received

June 18 2010 - RFE returned ( had done it June 7 - but USPS returned grrrr )

--- case says we should hear from them in 60 days from June 18 ---

June 23 - Touched

Aug4 - Email notification of NoA2 :)

Aug. 10 - NOA2 Hardcopy received

Sept. 13 - Faxed off Package 3

Sept 14 - Interview notification set for Oct. 5

Oct. 5 2010 Interview Passed

March 17 2011 POE Canadian/US border

April 1 2011 Marriage

Mailed AOS June 1

Chicago Lockbox confirms delivery June 3

Check cashed through bank - notification June 9

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I am for gay marriage. However, my problem with it is that it creats a litany of legal problems for those religions who are expressly against it. What if a gay couple decides that they want to get married in a Catholic church? If it is legal for them to get married, could they sue for a violation of civil rights when the church declines?

They could 'try' but you cannot force a church/individual to go against his religious beliefs. The suit would lose easily.

There's a big difference in 'legal' marriage and a religious ceremony.

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The Great Canadian to Texas Transfer Timeline:

2/22/2010 - I-129F Packet Mailed

2/24/2010 - Packet Delivered to VSC

2/26/2010 - VSC Cashed Filing Fee

3/04/2010 - NOA1 Received!

8/14/2010 - Touched!

10/04/2010 - NOA2 Received!

10/25/2010 - Packet 3 Received!

02/07/2011 - Medical!

03/15/2011 - Interview in Montreal! - Approved!!!

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See: Defense of Marriage Act

DOMA is quite unconstitutional actually and violates the full faith and credit clause of the constitution. I 'get' why they did it, but doesn't change the fact it's a full of ###### law.

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The Great Canadian to Texas Transfer Timeline:

2/22/2010 - I-129F Packet Mailed

2/24/2010 - Packet Delivered to VSC

2/26/2010 - VSC Cashed Filing Fee

3/04/2010 - NOA1 Received!

8/14/2010 - Touched!

10/04/2010 - NOA2 Received!

10/25/2010 - Packet 3 Received!

02/07/2011 - Medical!

03/15/2011 - Interview in Montreal! - Approved!!!

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