Update on 3rd Interview

[JeanneVictoria 55]

Wow what a journey, I just want to say I am very proud of my husband he put up a very good fight. You know VJ'ers, I don't want to bad talk a CO, I just hope this will help the next person to not give up and to fight the good fight. You will need to be prepared when you go for the interview and you will probably learn something new from this, I hope.

Our first interview was great, my husband went in...interruption-did you guys know that our significant others have to stand while being interviews?...and answered the CO's questions, the CO even made a joke with him but after reading up at Visa Journey we knew that it's best to not indulge in their jokes. So, he smiled and than looked at him as he was being attentative. He asked him questions like: Where did you meet? Where does she work? What city, state does she live ine? The joke was "what country does she live in?" ha ha ha Mr. CO. He asked him what day did she arrive when arrived in Morocco the last time I visited. This was the only question he could not remember. My husband told him it was the first week in October.

After the interview was over the CO told Kassim they will call when the visa is ready. They called him the same day and told him to bring his passport, he did. Than they called the following day and told him that he would have a 2nd interview (this is where it got weird) with the ambassador of the US Embassy. He went the following day and it was the same CO who interviewed him. The CO asked him a few questions about me but I think he really couldn't wait to do what he does best. He than asked Kassim if he's had any online relationships to marry for a visa. Kassim told him no, he than proceeded to ask him if he knew, for the sake of discretion I will not say the last name, DOE. Kassim could not recognize the last name and said no. CO-Do you know JANE DOE? and Kassim said I know 2 JANES online. The CO asked for information about both Janes. Kassim told them what he thought they only needed to know and that any kind of relationship he had with them one more than the other was over. The CO was not satisfied and gave him a 221g and it stated Bring all information regarding Janes.

After Kassim left the interview, the CO called me at work. I answered the phone I knew something was going on. He asked me If I knew about Kassims online relationships I said yes, I've had relationships in the past and I am ok with that. He asked me if I knew Jane Doe, I said no, he said well Did you know that Kassim was suppose to marry her for a visa. I said that I was not aware of this and that this is something that Kassim would have informed me of. He said do you know about the men in Morocco, I said well I read about stories online of situation that happen to some women but that can happen anywhere. He said well the men in Morocco only want to marry women for visas. I said well me and Kassims story is bit different and that we know each other and I know he loves me and that I love him. I said we have a daughter together and she needs her father. He said I've taken that into consideration and that is why I have not denied your case and Kassim knows what he needs to do.

After I spoke to the CO I spoke to Kassim and he was pretty upset. He told me that he doesn't understand what the CO wants he has nothing from these women. I told him to take a breath and lets get through this. He went back to the hotel and we talked over the phone. I told him that we needed to get in touch with the one Jane he had an online relationship with. So, I was able to locate her info and than I called and left a message, finally i just emailed her my info and she immiediately contacted me back. She said that Kassim was a sweet man and that she enjoyed the time with him and that she does not want to get involved. So, I called the CO, yes they transferred me to the CO can you believe it. And we had a long conversation about how we have no information regarding these Brendas and I told him that I spoke to this online Brenda and that she does to want to be involved. He asked for her phone number, I told him that she specifically said that you could get her information the same way I did, but I gave him the number. He than said that the Men in morocco only want Particularly women from the US and that they go to school just to learn english so that they can pursue these woman. That they even Impregnate woman just to get a visa. He said he asked Kassim why he knows so many women from the US and that Kassim did not give him a valid reason and that if he just said he was just like American women he would have been fine with that. Kassim was never asked that question because the CO had access to his Messenger contact list and Kassim explained where his contacts were from he had one from Columbia, UK and Australia. After consulting our lawyer the lawyer informed us that national security has access to our messenger accounts and that his how the CO received after they run the security checks. So after I told the CO about the phone conversation with Jane he said that he had no information regarding her that all I did was just confirm everything. That he was just going on a hunch and he said that since we don't have any informatino regarding the Janes other than what I just provided him with he will try to contact Jane and will call Kassim for a 3rd interview.

Immediately I contacted my US Senator and the Lawyer for some advice. The Senators office immediately contacted the consulate and the Lawyer as well. We just received information back stating the status of our case. But by contacting these offices helps to note your case that you are well involved in these matters as well you should be and have every right to be. Our Lawyer is a Pro Bono Lawyer, God bless her, and really all she could do was note our case and tell us that at the 3rd interview just be forthcoming, tell the CO in a manner of honesty and that's all we have at that point. But Kassim felt that he was forthcoming but said he will go in and fight for his family that he felt the CO was trying to crack some sort of conspiracy wide open. LOL! So, my hubby went to his 3rd interview....boy we prepped and prayed together.

Kassim went yesterday to the interview and it was the same CO, he immediately asked for information regarding Jane Doe, Kassim told him, in more detail, about his online relationship with this woman. Told him that he was not sure what the consulate really needed to know about their online relationship that he felt it should be discrete and out of respect for his wife he wanted to lay those things to rest. He said that he wants the CO to ask him about his wife, he said he loves me and my daughter and that he is their at the consulate for us. Than the interview was interrupted, and a woman brought Kassim to a closed room and left there a little bit later the boss of all COs entered the room and explained to Kassim who he was and said that we need to know everything and if you are not ready to tell all we will give you 1 more month. We know that your wife has contacted her senators office and that she has a lawyer. Do you want to come back in 1 month? Kassim said no, I want to finish this today. They brought in another CO to interview him and she asked lots of questions about me and he answered them all. She said "I am going to issue the visa", it will be ready for you tomorrow. But, If I find out you are not with your wife, I will come to the US and take the visa from you.

My baby picked up the visa 1 hour and 35 minutes ago and now he's on his way home................

I also had to stand with Wael at our petition interview (DCF). I'm curious....why would you write that statement? Just asking!

Need2Know - trust me - I'm right on this. There was something there in his background that made Casa decide to interview your man 3 times. Know this - each consulate is a business and a lucrative one at that. Those interviews cost the State Department a lot of money. If they didn't, they wouldn't charge everyone $130 plus dollars each time to do one. By them taking so much time to process and review his case and drill down information, and even bring in other people to ask questions - believe me - they don't just do that for anybody. Phone calls abroad - girl, please. It is rare that a CO will call anyone (hardly heard of on VJ) - so to hear that they're making calls to this woman is quite surprising. Go through the MENA forum history of VJ - if they don't believe your story they'll deny you. Most times, visa interviews go on prima facie (face value) evidence. If they think that there is something shady going on, but they would like to give you the benefit of the doubt (which I believe they did because of your daughter) they will do some investigating.

I'm not accusing your man of being shady - they did or at least they made it out that way. Through their review of his messenger and email accounts they found something that made them suspicious. In my opinion, for you and your daughter's sake, they decided to accept his story and approve his visa.

You can say that I don't know what I'm talking about. hehehe I began this process more than 6 years ago and have loads of experience with DOS and DHS - it's been oodles of fun. What you went through is rare and almost unheard of. Just sayin'.

I agree with you Staashi. Good post!!

[And_Sam 44]

Wow what a story! Tricia~ I wish you and your husband the best life possible with your baby and show them COs how wrong they are!!

Lisa~Your pics are beautifull! How can someone be so mean to make rude comments about them? Envy that is how!!!

FYI~ I went to the interview with my husband in Cairo, we too stood the whole time while talking to the CO...

[Need2know 0]

Phone calls abroad - girl, please. It is rare that a CO will call anyone (hardly heard of on VJ) - so to hear that they're making calls to this woman is quite surprising.

Here you go, making up stories again. They never called this woman.

If they think that there is something shady going on, but they would like to give you the benefit of the doubt (which I believe they did because of your daughter) they will do some investigating.

I'd appreciate it if you would not speak of my daughter.

[Need2know 0]

Wow what a story! Tricia~ I wish you and your husband the best life possible with your baby and show them COs how wrong they are!!

Lisa~Your pics are beautifull! How can someone be so mean to make rude comments about them? Envy that is how!!!

FYI~ I went to the interview with my husband in Cairo, we too stood the whole time while talking to the CO...

Thanks And_Sam

[sachinky 465]

Need2Know - trust me - I'm right on this. There was something there in his background that made Casa decide to interview your man 3 times. Know this - each consulate is a business and a lucrative one at that. Those interviews cost the State Department a lot of money. If they didn't, they wouldn't charge everyone $130 plus dollars each time to do one. By them taking so much time to process and review his case and drill down information, and even bring in other people to ask questions - believe me - they don't just do that for anybody. Phone calls abroad - girl, please. It is rare that a CO will call anyone (hardly heard of on VJ) - so to hear that they're making calls to this woman is quite surprising. Go through the MENA forum history of VJ - if they don't believe your story they'll deny you. Most times, visa interviews go on prima facie (face value) evidence. If they think that there is something shady going on, but they would like to give you the benefit of the doubt (which I believe they did because of your daughter) they will do some investigating.

I'm not accusing your man of being shady - they did or at least they made it out that way. Through their review of his messenger and email accounts they found something that made them suspicious. In my opinion, for you and your daughter's sake, they decided to accept his story and approve his visa.

You can say that I don't know what I'm talking about. hehehe I began this process more than 6 years ago and have loads of experience with DOS and DHS - it's been oodles of fun. What you went through is rare and almost unheard of. Just sayin'.

This.

[Need2know 0]

Congratulations on the visa!!! I am happy for the three of you finally making through the ordeal.

Thank you!!!!

[Need2know 0]

I also had to stand with Wael at our petition interview (DCF). I'm curious....why would you write that statement? Just asking!

I agree with you Staashi. Good post!!

I'm afraid what Staashi said is false. They never called this woman, never checked his emails because he has none. It was a lie the CO told me when he called, he was lying a tactic he used thinking he was on to something. But as I've explained before there was nothing. I'm glad they do the security checks and what not, but in our case the CO was barking up the wrong tree.

[Staashi 371]

Here you go, making up stories again. They never called this woman.

I'd appreciate it if you would not speak of my daughter.

First and foremost - you wrote that you gave the CO her information and that he could look her up online. You said that right here: So after I told the CO about the phone conversation with Jane he said that he had no information regarding her that all I did was just confirm everything. That he was just going on a hunch and he said that since we don't have any informatino regarding the Janes other than what I just provided him with he will try to contact Jane and will call Kassim for a 3rd interview.

Second - I am not "speaking" of your daughter in any ill-will manner. I'm speaking of her as evidence of your relationship. This part of your statement: "I said we have a daughter together and she needs her father. He said I've taken that into consideration and that is why I have not denied your case and Kassim knows what he needs to do." is what I'm basing my post on.

[Need2know 0]

First and foremost - you wrote that you gave the CO her information and that he could look her up online. You said that right here: So after I told the CO about the phone conversation with Jane he said that he had no information regarding her that all I did was just confirm everything. That he was just going on a hunch and he said that since we don't have any informatino regarding the Janes other than what I just provided him with he will try to contact Jane and will call Kassim for a 3rd interview.

Second - I am not "speaking" of your daughter in any ill-will manner. I'm speaking of her as evidence of your relationship. This part of your statement: "I said we have a daughter together and she needs her father. He said I've taken that into consideration and that is why I have not denied your case and Kassim knows what he needs to do." is what I'm basing my post on.

What I'm telling you is that his words are of no value, HE NEVER CALLED HER AND WAS NOT GOING TO CALL HER>>>IT WAS A LIE. He was not taking nothing into consideration had there been fraud. What they took into consideration is our evidence, we had more evidence that outweighed what he thought he was crack our case wide open. Get it yet!

[Nothing1234 2]

Congrats Need2Know. I'm happy you and your daughter will finally be reunited with your hubby.

As for your posts to Staashi...she is pretty much matter of fact (black and white) on matters. Just knowing her over the years she's not out to be vicious but to provide you with facts to help or prepare you. I think being prepared in the future (when he arrives) is the best thing to be. This visa process is now over but you now have the next steps of AOS, etc which is a crazy ball of wax of its own (thats the voice of my experience speaking).

Typically there is something that triggers a flag/reason to doubt the intentions of the applicant and honestly, its for our protection as well as US Citizens so we are not used or our ability to provide citizenship to another isn't abused down the road. It's not an easy road at all and I sympathize with what you have been through. So being prepared for an AOS interview and having all your ducks in a row is important because the grilling and invasion of privacy doesn't end at the VISA interview..its only the beginning. *sigh* (our AOS interview was uncomfortable as well.)

I am curious though, if they did not have information on this Jane Doe person, how were they able to bring her up during an interview? Perhaps it was not via messenger access but a complaint filed at the embassy level by this woman? I am aware of a few folks that this has happened too...where complaints to the embassy have brought on 2nd interviews or extensive questioning during the 1st.

Again, congrats!!! I wish you the best in the future and a very very happy reunion!!

[Need2know 0]

Congrats Need2Know. I'm happy you and your daughter will finally be reunited with your hubby.

As for your posts to Staashi...she is pretty much matter of fact (black and white) on matters. Just knowing her over the years she's not out to be vicious but to provide you with facts to help or prepare you. I think being prepared in the future (when he arrives) is the best thing to be. This visa process is now over but you now have the next steps of AOS, etc which is a crazy ball of wax of its own (thats the voice of my experience speaking).

Typically there is something that triggers a flag/reason to doubt the intentions of the applicant and honestly, its for our protection as well as US Citizens so we are not used or our ability to provide citizenship to another isn't abused down the road. It's not an easy road at all and I sympathize with what you have been through. So being prepared for an AOS interview and having all your ducks in a row is important because the grilling and invasion of privacy doesn't end at the VISA interview..its only the beginning. *sigh* (our AOS interview was uncomfortable as well.)

I am curious though, if they did not have information on this Jane Doe person, how were they able to bring her up during an interview? Perhaps it was not via messenger access but a complaint filed at the embassy level by this woman? I am aware of a few folks that this has happened too...where complaints to the embassy have brought on 2nd interviews or extensive questioning during the 1st.

Again, congrats!!! I wish you the best in the future and a very very happy reunion!!

Thanks and I understand completely the seriousness of immigration and the long road ahead, again thanks. But, I have to say I don't entirely agree with Staashi, Staashi brought up some good information. But when it comes to warning me about the relationship with my husband this is not black and white to me, I didn't just meet this man yesterday.

How I know it was his messenger contact list, was the CO brought up 3 other contacts from that messenger list. But there was no profile information regarding them only the one in question-this is where he got her name from, seen her PICTURE and read what ever she put about herself there in her profile.

[CasandraYounes 0]

Wow! I am sorry about all of the drama you have been put through with Casa. It is a whole different world to be going through them. One thing I would like to add is that I'm sure what was being said wasn't meant to hurt you or degrade your relationship, here in MENA we are like a little family with all of those little pieces. But, I apprecaite you sharing your story because it could happen to anyone. What I didn't know is that they check your messenger, but I had printed out so much for them to read. The love story I share with my hubby is a never ending one and we were fortunate to have my father living there. However, when Aziz went to his interview, he was thrown several curveballs that weren't true, but they were trying to see where they could trip him. For example, making the distinction between my biological father and stepfather and who is married to a Moroccan and does what. My husband was able to answer the false questions and able to turn them around. He did actually joke with them and it created a less tense environment for him. He also said they were looking at a computer screen as if they had information in there....for whatever reason IDK, but to each his own. They approved us and realized we love each other. No judgements here and congrats on being issued the visa and I wish you and your family the best.

Cassie

[KittyPollitt 284]

OP- Congrats on making it through this trial, I wish your family the best

[CasandraYounes 0]

Squeaky580, the little one is so adorable and I loved the cute pictures of the baby food you posted. I was like did they really have that....looked like something I wouuld eat

Edited April 9, 2010 by CasandraYounes

[SweetHome_Alabama 5]

Kenza is right, this is a beautiful story.

And to the OP- good luck!

Thank you, I was speaking from the heart. We all miss our Husbands or our Fiance or lovced ones.