Update on 3rd Interview

[Wife of Mohammed 0]

My husband and I are in our 30's, I've served 7 years in the US army than went back to school for a 2nd degree and than when I was done I was ready to start my life and that just so happen to be in my 30's. I had online friends and families, never had an online relationship. My husband was a late bloomer, and he wanted love and that's all he wanted. He found that in me, but alot of people are not as fortunate as you and your SO, first time around. Some of us have to start over, so please don't think that he's started over a 1000 times just because say this. I am only telling the truth, I understand the online relationship he had with this individual she confirmed it with me that Kassim ended it because of his religion.

Really, I'm happy that you fought for what you wanted. I don't think bad of your husband. Also I understand how an attraction to Americans can happen, after all we are cool

Even attraction toward a particular race can happen...all of a sudden I found Middle Eastern men attractive, lol.

My husband never had a relationship, but I have had a couple. I know how your first love feels...and I'm honored to be the first for him. Relationships come and go, but marriages should be forever. Again, congrats for sticking up for yourself and standing by your husband. Islam really is a great religion, and that's one of the reasons I married. They learn to have a lot more respect for self and others than any typical person. Salam

[msheesha 548]

It is part of the Patriot Act and we are all subject to it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

I'm sure they are able to do it, and I'm not an expert on the Patriot Act.

It just seems odd they would go to the trouble to do it. Has anyone ever heard of it being

done in situations like this before?

[Need2know 0]

Really, I'm happy that you fought for what you wanted. I don't think bad of your husband. Also I understand how an attraction to Americans can happen, after all we are cool

Even attraction toward a particular race can happen...all of a sudden I found Middle Eastern men attractive, lol.

My husband never had a relationship, but I have had a couple. I know how your first love feels...and I'm honored to be the first for him. Relationships come and go, but marriages should be forever. Again, congrats for sticking up for yourself and standing by your husband. Islam really is a great religion, and that's one of the reasons I married. They learn to have a lot more respect for self and others than any typical person. Salam

LOL, yeah we are pretty cool...thanks!

[Need2know 0]

I'm sure they are able to do it, and I'm not an expert on the Patriot Act.

It just seems odd they would go to the trouble to do it. Has anyone ever heard of it being

done in situations like this before?

It's probably done most of the time, but most people are probably not questioned about it.

[SweetHome_Alabama 5]

I just want to express my opinion on this subject.

The CO is correct on the fact there are Lots of Moroccan men scamming women for Visa's sometimes taking the US woman or UK woman or Canadian woman for all her money...THOUSANDS...and thousands in debt and also asks her to INVEST in properties in their countries. Its not only Moroccan men but Egyptian men and other countries are the same. I read Daniel Pipes blogs on discouraging women from marrying Moroccan men, Eqyptian men and just MUSLIM men in general.....so many women have been scammed and not know it, because they want love so bad, but at the same time...there were RED FLAGS in the relationship that the women ignored but had a GUT FEELING and still chose to ignore...so these women are on blogs hating ALL MOROCCAN or MUSLIM men and warning ladies to stay clear of Arabic men. Most of these women are calling the consulate in Morocco and they are complaining BIG TIME, but most there on that blog had put themselves in this situation and allowed him to use her and knew of cheating relationships and other on-line contacts and chose to forgive the fiance's......there is no arguing with the women on this DP site...(type in Moroocan men) and you will find the site. I started out posting not agreeing with the fact they were referring to ALL MUSLIMS are rats, dogs, cheaters, scammers, etc. My husband is accused of being the SAME cause I am 9 years older but most women on that site and in scamming relationships are as much as 20-30 years older than the man......My husband has never accepted money from me....his family paid for BOTH our wedding rings, they paid for my Kaftan and bought my kids gifts, he will pay his own flight ticket, he works hard and long hours for a measley $400 a month...He has been in Arabic/Lebanese movie series, a chauffer for major hotel resort, self employeed- sold refreshments and sweets on the beach last summer to earn his living there to not take from me (cause I have kids to provide for-he says,lol) anyway...there are posters there who say my husband looks like a boy next to me in our wedding photos, they have called me ugly and old, pretty much says cause i have 3 kids I have too much baggage for him to really LOVE me....they even implied they could tell by my photos our marriage is a scam,lol......but the way I see it is...people on the outside looking in DOES NOT know your relationship or private things you have been through, conversations, how he handles himself and his character and morals and those of his family so its EASY for others to judge others. My advice to all is make the best of your marriages and prove all others wrong.....Work together and be happy....My husband once said we all need to "Love with eyes wide open" I think he is right. I wish everyone a successful marriage and fast Visa Journey.

[Kenza 1]

WOW! Alhamdoliallah everything worked out in the end and he will inshallah be with you soon. I can't imagine what you went through! Staashi is also right and beautiful story Lisa! <totally agree with you and I wish you the best inshallah

[Need2know 0]

Staashi is also right

I'm sorry I have to disagree with you.

[Muh and me 18]

I just want to express my opinion on this subject.

The CO is correct on the fact there are Lots of Moroccan men scamming women for Visa's sometimes taking the US woman or UK woman or Canadian woman for all her money...THOUSANDS...and thousands in debt and also asks her to INVEST in properties in their countries. Its not only Moroccan men but Egyptian men and other countries are the same. I read Daniel Pipes blogs on discouraging women from marrying Moroccan men, Eqyptian men and just MUSLIM men in general.....so many women have been scammed and not know it, because they want love so bad, but at the same time...there were RED FLAGS in the relationship that the women ignored but had a GUT FEELING and still chose to ignore...so these women are on blogs hating ALL MOROCCAN or MUSLIM men and warning ladies to stay clear of Arabic men. Most of these women are calling the consulate in Morocco and they are complaining BIG TIME, but most there on that blog had put themselves in this situation and allowed him to use her and knew of cheating relationships and other on-line contacts and chose to forgive the fiance's......there is no arguing with the women on this DP site...(type in Moroocan men) and you will find the site. I started out posting not agreeing with the fact they were referring to ALL MUSLIMS are rats, dogs, cheaters, scammers, etc. My husband is accused of being the SAME cause I am 9 years older but most women on that site and in scamming relationships are as much as 20-30 years older than the man......My husband has never accepted money from me....his family paid for BOTH our wedding rings, they paid for my Kaftan and bought my kids gifts, he will pay his own flight ticket, he works hard and long hours for a measley $400 a month...He has been in Arabic/Lebanese movie series, a chauffer for major hotel resort, self employeed- sold refreshments and sweets on the beach last summer to earn his living there to not take from me (cause I have kids to provide for-he says,lol) anyway...there are posters there who say my husband looks like a boy next to me in our wedding photos, they have called me ugly and old, pretty much says cause i have 3 kids I have too much baggage for him to really LOVE me....they even implied they could tell by my photos our marriage is a scam,lol......but the way I see it is...people on the outside looking in DOES NOT know your relationship or private things you have been through, conversations, how he handles himself and his character and morals and those of his family so its EASY for others to judge others. My advice to all is make the best of your marriages and prove all others wrong.....Work together and be happy....My husband once said we all need to "Love with eyes wide open" I think he is right. I wish everyone a successful marriage and fast Visa Journey.

Kenza is right, this is a beautiful story.

And to the OP- good luck!

[Need2know 0]

Kenza is right, this is a beautiful story.

And to the OP- good luck!

Well Thanks, but up til now we've had love, commitment and above all Allah. Luck....mmmmmm

[sara535 15]

well, congratulations on persevering and getting the visa. wow, what a road thats been for you.

Its hard to tell with Casa these days, on the one hand I think some of what Staashi says is true and makes sense - they DO have access to all kinds of info and if they spend the time to check into all of it and find something that rings alarm bells then sure they are going to investigate the heck out of it. And I think we all know there really is a lot of fraud going on in Morocco, we've seen several examples here on VJ. But I think part of the ripple effect of that is the COs get pretty jaded and probably start to see fraud in every file. My husband and I went through that consulate almost 6 years ago now and honestly I can only imagine we would have a much harder time if we were to file now, given that we have several of the 'red flags'. Yet here we are, married for close to 6 years, parents to our little girl and doing better than ever.

I am sure the COs want to make sure they dont let anyone 'slip through', and in their zeal to accomplish that goal there are some legitimate couples who get caught in the crossfire, just as there are some skilled scammers who will make it......

[Need2know 0]

well, congratulations on persevering and getting the visa. wow, what a road thats been for you.

Its hard to tell with Casa these days, on the one hand I think some of what Staashi says is true and makes sense - they DO have access to all kinds of info and if they spend the time to check into all of it and find something that rings alarm bells then sure they are going to investigate the heck out of it. And I think we all know there really is a lot of fraud going on in Morocco, we've seen several examples here on VJ. But I think part of the ripple effect of that is the COs get pretty jaded and probably start to see fraud in every file. My husband and I went through that consulate almost 6 years ago now and honestly I can only imagine we would have a much harder time if we were to file now, given that we have several of the 'red flags'. Yet here we are, married for close to 6 years, parents to our little girl and doing better than ever.

I am sure the COs want to make sure they dont let anyone 'slip through', and in their zeal to accomplish that goal there are some legitimate couples who get caught in the crossfire, just as there are some skilled scammers who will make it......

This I can agree with, what I don't agree with is sharing the information that I have to only go back to being closley accused of fraud. Or being treated as if my husband has done something wrong, or that he's got this long list of online women he is currently being active with. Did I really say that. My husband does not have a long list of contacts like that, he's got his family members and contacts of other I can count on 1 hand. There is another reason the CO felt that he had to dig deeper, lie and say disgusting things. I mean we can put a label on it if it makes you feel better but id rather be real. There was nothing there or my husband would not have a visa in hands as we speak. There was only a profile of a woman in which the CO made a bad judgement call. And to think that the consulate only pulled my husbands contact list because of red flags is not realistic. I believe they pull alot more than you can imagine, the CO felt the need to act on his. I'm not the kind of person to say wowizme, that's not what I'm saying. I'm only saying the consulate is not perfect and I refuse to ALL HALE THE COs.

[ARMANI KHAN 3]

Wow what a journey, I just want to say I am very proud of my husband he put up a very good fight. You know VJ'ers, I don't want to bad talk a CO, I just hope this will help the next person to not give up and to fight the good fight. You will need to be prepared when you go for the interview and you will probably learn something new from this, I hope.

Our first interview was great, my husband went in...interruption-did you guys know that our significant others have to stand while being interviews?...and answered the CO's questions, the CO even made a joke with him but after reading up at Visa Journey we knew that it's best to not indulge in their jokes. So, he smiled and than looked at him as he was being attentative. He asked him questions like: Where did you meet? Where does she work? What city, state does she live ine? The joke was "what country does she live in?" ha ha ha Mr. CO. He asked him what day did she arrive when arrived in Morocco the last time I visited. This was the only question he could not remember. My husband told him it was the first week in October.

After the interview was over the CO told Kassim they will call when the visa is ready. They called him the same day and told him to bring his passport, he did. Than they called the following day and told him that he would have a 2nd interview (this is where it got weird) with the ambassador of the US Embassy. He went the following day and it was the same CO who interviewed him. The CO asked him a few questions about me but I think he really couldn't wait to do what he does best. He than asked Kassim if he's had any online relationships to marry for a visa. Kassim told him no, he than proceeded to ask him if he knew, for the sake of discretion I will not say the last name, DOE. Kassim could not recognize the last name and said no. CO-Do you know JANE DOE? and Kassim said I know 2 JANES online. The CO asked for information about both Janes. Kassim told them what he thought they only needed to know and that any kind of relationship he had with them one more than the other was over. The CO was not satisfied and gave him a 221g and it stated Bring all information regarding Janes.

After Kassim left the interview, the CO called me at work. I answered the phone I knew something was going on. He asked me If I knew about Kassims online relationships I said yes, I've had relationships in the past and I am ok with that. He asked me if I knew Jane Doe, I said no, he said well Did you know that Kassim was suppose to marry her for a visa. I said that I was not aware of this and that this is something that Kassim would have informed me of. He said do you know about the men in Morocco, I said well I read about stories online of situation that happen to some women but that can happen anywhere. He said well the men in Morocco only want to marry women for visas. I said well me and Kassims story is bit different and that we know each other and I know he loves me and that I love him. I said we have a daughter together and she needs her father. He said I've taken that into consideration and that is why I have not denied your case and Kassim knows what he needs to do.

After I spoke to the CO I spoke to Kassim and he was pretty upset. He told me that he doesn't understand what the CO wants he has nothing from these women. I told him to take a breath and lets get through this. He went back to the hotel and we talked over the phone. I told him that we needed to get in touch with the one Jane he had an online relationship with. So, I was able to locate her info and than I called and left a message, finally i just emailed her my info and she immiediately contacted me back. She said that Kassim was a sweet man and that she enjoyed the time with him and that she does not want to get involved. So, I called the CO, yes they transferred me to the CO can you believe it. And we had a long conversation about how we have no information regarding these Brendas and I told him that I spoke to this online Brenda and that she does to want to be involved. He asked for her phone number, I told him that she specifically said that you could get her information the same way I did, but I gave him the number. He than said that the Men in morocco only want Particularly women from the US and that they go to school just to learn english so that they can pursue these woman. That they even Impregnate woman just to get a visa. He said he asked Kassim why he knows so many women from the US and that Kassim did not give him a valid reason and that if he just said he was just like American women he would have been fine with that. Kassim was never asked that question because the CO had access to his Messenger contact list and Kassim explained where his contacts were from he had one from Columbia, UK and Australia. After consulting our lawyer the lawyer informed us that national security has access to our messenger accounts and that his how the CO received after they run the security checks. So after I told the CO about the phone conversation with Jane he said that he had no information regarding her that all I did was just confirm everything. That he was just going on a hunch and he said that since we don't have any informatino regarding the Janes other than what I just provided him with he will try to contact Jane and will call Kassim for a 3rd interview.

Immediately I contacted my US Senator and the Lawyer for some advice. The Senators office immediately contacted the consulate and the Lawyer as well. We just received information back stating the status of our case. But by contacting these offices helps to note your case that you are well involved in these matters as well you should be and have every right to be. Our Lawyer is a Pro Bono Lawyer, God bless her, and really all she could do was note our case and tell us that at the 3rd interview just be forthcoming, tell the CO in a manner of honesty and that's all we have at that point. But Kassim felt that he was forthcoming but said he will go in and fight for his family that he felt the CO was trying to crack some sort of conspiracy wide open. LOL! So, my hubby went to his 3rd interview....boy we prepped and prayed together.

Kassim went yesterday to the interview and it was the same CO, he immediately asked for information regarding Jane Doe, Kassim told him, in more detail, about his online relationship with this woman. Told him that he was not sure what the consulate really needed to know about their online relationship that he felt it should be discrete and out of respect for his wife he wanted to lay those things to rest. He said that he wants the CO to ask him about his wife, he said he loves me and my daughter and that he is their at the consulate for us. Than the interview was interrupted, and a woman brought Kassim to a closed room and left there a little bit later the boss of all COs entered the room and explained to Kassim who he was and said that we need to know everything and if you are not ready to tell all we will give you 1 more month. We know that your wife has contacted her senators office and that she has a lawyer. Do you want to come back in 1 month? Kassim said no, I want to finish this today. They brought in another CO to interview him and she asked lots of questions about me and he answered them all. She said "I am going to issue the visa", it will be ready for you tomorrow. But, If I find out you are not with your wife, I will come to the US and take the visa from you.

My baby picked up the visa 1 hour and 35 minutes ago and now he's on his way home................

congrates.... i m worried now when i read ur post bz i also had 2nd interview on feb 9 2010 plz share ur experiance wd me plz plz plz any1???? thanks

[illnevergetthis 5]

Congratulations on the visa!!! I am happy for the three of you finally making through the ordeal.

[Meredith_Brahim 2]

Wow what a journey, I just want to say I am very proud of my husband he put up a very good fight. You know VJ'ers, I don't want to bad talk a CO, I just hope this will help the next person to not give up and to fight the good fight. You will need to be prepared when you go for the interview and you will probably learn something new from this, I hope.

Our first interview was great, my husband went in...interruption-did you guys know that our significant others have to stand while being interviews?...and answered the CO's questions, the CO even made a joke with him but after reading up at Visa Journey we knew that it's best to not indulge in their jokes. So, he smiled and than looked at him as he was being attentative. He asked him questions like: Where did you meet? Where does she work? What city, state does she live ine? The joke was "what country does she live in?" ha ha ha Mr. CO. He asked him what day did she arrive when arrived in Morocco the last time I visited. This was the only question he could not remember. My husband told him it was the first week in October.

After the interview was over the CO told Kassim they will call when the visa is ready. They called him the same day and told him to bring his passport, he did. Than they called the following day and told him that he would have a 2nd interview (this is where it got weird) with the ambassador of the US Embassy. He went the following day and it was the same CO who interviewed him. The CO asked him a few questions about me but I think he really couldn't wait to do what he does best. He than asked Kassim if he's had any online relationships to marry for a visa. Kassim told him no, he than proceeded to ask him if he knew, for the sake of discretion I will not say the last name, DOE. Kassim could not recognize the last name and said no. CO-Do you know JANE DOE? and Kassim said I know 2 JANES online. The CO asked for information about both Janes. Kassim told them what he thought they only needed to know and that any kind of relationship he had with them one more than the other was over. The CO was not satisfied and gave him a 221g and it stated Bring all information regarding Janes.

After Kassim left the interview, the CO called me at work. I answered the phone I knew something was going on. He asked me If I knew about Kassims online relationships I said yes, I've had relationships in the past and I am ok with that. He asked me if I knew Jane Doe, I said no, he said well Did you know that Kassim was suppose to marry her for a visa. I said that I was not aware of this and that this is something that Kassim would have informed me of. He said do you know about the men in Morocco, I said well I read about stories online of situation that happen to some women but that can happen anywhere. He said well the men in Morocco only want to marry women for visas. I said well me and Kassims story is bit different and that we know each other and I know he loves me and that I love him. I said we have a daughter together and she needs her father. He said I've taken that into consideration and that is why I have not denied your case and Kassim knows what he needs to do.

After I spoke to the CO I spoke to Kassim and he was pretty upset. He told me that he doesn't understand what the CO wants he has nothing from these women. I told him to take a breath and lets get through this. He went back to the hotel and we talked over the phone. I told him that we needed to get in touch with the one Jane he had an online relationship with. So, I was able to locate her info and than I called and left a message, finally i just emailed her my info and she immiediately contacted me back. She said that Kassim was a sweet man and that she enjoyed the time with him and that she does not want to get involved. So, I called the CO, yes they transferred me to the CO can you believe it. And we had a long conversation about how we have no information regarding these Brendas and I told him that I spoke to this online Brenda and that she does to want to be involved. He asked for her phone number, I told him that she specifically said that you could get her information the same way I did, but I gave him the number. He than said that the Men in morocco only want Particularly women from the US and that they go to school just to learn english so that they can pursue these woman. That they even Impregnate woman just to get a visa. He said he asked Kassim why he knows so many women from the US and that Kassim did not give him a valid reason and that if he just said he was just like American women he would have been fine with that. Kassim was never asked that question because the CO had access to his Messenger contact list and Kassim explained where his contacts were from he had one from Columbia, UK and Australia. After consulting our lawyer the lawyer informed us that national security has access to our messenger accounts and that his how the CO received after they run the security checks. So after I told the CO about the phone conversation with Jane he said that he had no information regarding her that all I did was just confirm everything. That he was just going on a hunch and he said that since we don't have any informatino regarding the Janes other than what I just provided him with he will try to contact Jane and will call Kassim for a 3rd interview.

Immediately I contacted my US Senator and the Lawyer for some advice. The Senators office immediately contacted the consulate and the Lawyer as well. We just received information back stating the status of our case. But by contacting these offices helps to note your case that you are well involved in these matters as well you should be and have every right to be. Our Lawyer is a Pro Bono Lawyer, God bless her, and really all she could do was note our case and tell us that at the 3rd interview just be forthcoming, tell the CO in a manner of honesty and that's all we have at that point. But Kassim felt that he was forthcoming but said he will go in and fight for his family that he felt the CO was trying to crack some sort of conspiracy wide open. LOL! So, my hubby went to his 3rd interview....boy we prepped and prayed together.

Kassim went yesterday to the interview and it was the same CO, he immediately asked for information regarding Jane Doe, Kassim told him, in more detail, about his online relationship with this woman. Told him that he was not sure what the consulate really needed to know about their online relationship that he felt it should be discrete and out of respect for his wife he wanted to lay those things to rest. He said that he wants the CO to ask him about his wife, he said he loves me and my daughter and that he is their at the consulate for us. Than the interview was interrupted, and a woman brought Kassim to a closed room and left there a little bit later the boss of all COs entered the room and explained to Kassim who he was and said that we need to know everything and if you are not ready to tell all we will give you 1 more month. We know that your wife has contacted her senators office and that she has a lawyer. Do you want to come back in 1 month? Kassim said no, I want to finish this today. They brought in another CO to interview him and she asked lots of questions about me and he answered them all. She said "I am going to issue the visa", it will be ready for you tomorrow. But, If I find out you are not with your wife, I will come to the US and take the visa from you.

My baby picked up the visa 1 hour and 35 minutes ago and now he's on his way home................

Congratulations, fantastic news! Just shows how you cannot be afraid of authorities. When will he travel to the States?! You must be so relieved. Best of luck to you both!

[Staashi 371]

I'm sorry I have to disagree with you.

Need2Know - trust me - I'm right on this. There was something there in his background that made Casa decide to interview your man 3 times. Know this - each consulate is a business and a lucrative one at that. Those interviews cost the State Department a lot of money. If they didn't, they wouldn't charge everyone $130 plus dollars each time to do one. By them taking so much time to process and review his case and drill down information, and even bring in other people to ask questions - believe me - they don't just do that for anybody. Phone calls abroad - girl, please. It is rare that a CO will call anyone (hardly heard of on VJ) - so to hear that they're making calls to this woman is quite surprising. Go through the MENA forum history of VJ - if they don't believe your story they'll deny you. Most times, visa interviews go on prima facie (face value) evidence. If they think that there is something shady going on, but they would like to give you the benefit of the doubt (which I believe they did because of your daughter) they will do some investigating.

I'm not accusing your man of being shady - they did or at least they made it out that way. Through their review of his messenger and email accounts they found something that made them suspicious. In my opinion, for you and your daughter's sake, they decided to accept his story and approve his visa.

You can say that I don't know what I'm talking about. hehehe I began this process more than 6 years ago and have loads of experience with DOS and DHS - it's been oodles of fun. What you went through is rare and almost unheard of. Just sayin'.