Update on 3rd Interview

[Need2know 0]

Wow what a journey, I just want to say I am very proud of my husband he put up a very good fight. You know VJ'ers, I don't want to bad talk a CO, I just hope this will help the next person to not give up and to fight the good fight. You will need to be prepared when you go for the interview and you will probably learn something new from this, I hope.

Our first interview was great, my husband went in...interruption-did you guys know that our significant others have to stand while being interviews?...and answered the CO's questions, the CO even made a joke with him but after reading up at Visa Journey we knew that it's best to not indulge in their jokes. So, he smiled and than looked at him as he was being attentative. He asked him questions like: Where did you meet? Where does she work? What city, state does she live ine? The joke was "what country does she live in?" ha ha ha Mr. CO. He asked him what day did she arrive when arrived in Morocco the last time I visited. This was the only question he could not remember. My husband told him it was the first week in October.

After the interview was over the CO told Kassim they will call when the visa is ready. They called him the same day and told him to bring his passport, he did. Than they called the following day and told him that he would have a 2nd interview (this is where it got weird) with the ambassador of the US Embassy. He went the following day and it was the same CO who interviewed him. The CO asked him a few questions about me but I think he really couldn't wait to do what he does best. He than asked Kassim if he's had any online relationships to marry for a visa. Kassim told him no, he than proceeded to ask him if he knew, for the sake of discretion I will not say the last name, DOE. Kassim could not recognize the last name and said no. CO-Do you know JANE DOE? and Kassim said I know 2 JANES online. The CO asked for information about both Janes. Kassim told them what he thought they only needed to know and that any kind of relationship he had with them one more than the other was over. The CO was not satisfied and gave him a 221g and it stated Bring all information regarding Janes.

After Kassim left the interview, the CO called me at work. I answered the phone I knew something was going on. He asked me If I knew about Kassims online relationships I said yes, I've had relationships in the past and I am ok with that. He asked me if I knew Jane Doe, I said no, he said well Did you know that Kassim was suppose to marry her for a visa. I said that I was not aware of this and that this is something that Kassim would have informed me of. He said do you know about the men in Morocco, I said well I read about stories online of situation that happen to some women but that can happen anywhere. He said well the men in Morocco only want to marry women for visas. I said well me and Kassims story is bit different and that we know each other and I know he loves me and that I love him. I said we have a daughter together and she needs her father. He said I've taken that into consideration and that is why I have not denied your case and Kassim knows what he needs to do.

After I spoke to the CO I spoke to Kassim and he was pretty upset. He told me that he doesn't understand what the CO wants he has nothing from these women. I told him to take a breath and lets get through this. He went back to the hotel and we talked over the phone. I told him that we needed to get in touch with the one Jane he had an online relationship with. So, I was able to locate her info and than I called and left a message, finally i just emailed her my info and she immiediately contacted me back. She said that Kassim was a sweet man and that she enjoyed the time with him and that she does not want to get involved. So, I called the CO, yes they transferred me to the CO can you believe it. And we had a long conversation about how we have no information regarding these Brendas and I told him that I spoke to this online Brenda and that she does to want to be involved. He asked for her phone number, I told him that she specifically said that you could get her information the same way I did, but I gave him the number. He than said that the Men in morocco only want Particularly women from the US and that they go to school just to learn english so that they can pursue these woman. That they even Impregnate woman just to get a visa. He said he asked Kassim why he knows so many women from the US and that Kassim did not give him a valid reason and that if he just said he was just like American women he would have been fine with that. Kassim was never asked that question because the CO had access to his Messenger contact list and Kassim explained where his contacts were from he had one from Columbia, UK and Australia. After consulting our lawyer the lawyer informed us that national security has access to our messenger accounts and that his how the CO received after they run the security checks. So after I told the CO about the phone conversation with Jane he said that he had no information regarding her that all I did was just confirm everything. That he was just going on a hunch and he said that since we don't have any informatino regarding the Janes other than what I just provided him with he will try to contact Jane and will call Kassim for a 3rd interview.

Immediately I contacted my US Senator and the Lawyer for some advice. The Senators office immediately contacted the consulate and the Lawyer as well. We just received information back stating the status of our case. But by contacting these offices helps to note your case that you are well involved in these matters as well you should be and have every right to be. Our Lawyer is a Pro Bono Lawyer, God bless her, and really all she could do was note our case and tell us that at the 3rd interview just be forthcoming, tell the CO in a manner of honesty and that's all we have at that point. But Kassim felt that he was forthcoming but said he will go in and fight for his family that he felt the CO was trying to crack some sort of conspiracy wide open. LOL! So, my hubby went to his 3rd interview....boy we prepped and prayed together.

Kassim went yesterday to the interview and it was the same CO, he immediately asked for information regarding Jane Doe, Kassim told him, in more detail, about his online relationship with this woman. Told him that he was not sure what the consulate really needed to know about their online relationship that he felt it should be discrete and out of respect for his wife he wanted to lay those things to rest. He said that he wants the CO to ask him about his wife, he said he loves me and my daughter and that he is their at the consulate for us. Than the interview was interrupted, and a woman brought Kassim to a closed room and left there a little bit later the boss of all COs entered the room and explained to Kassim who he was and said that we need to know everything and if you are not ready to tell all we will give you 1 more month. We know that your wife has contacted her senators office and that she has a lawyer. Do you want to come back in 1 month? Kassim said no, I want to finish this today. They brought in another CO to interview him and she asked lots of questions about me and he answered them all. She said "I am going to issue the visa", it will be ready for you tomorrow. But, If I find out you are not with your wife, I will come to the US and take the visa from you.

My baby picked up the visa 1 hour and 35 minutes ago and now he's on his way home................

[Staashi 371]

Congrats - but I say that with some serious trepidation. Your fiance/husband is walking a very, very fine line. If I was you I would be truly cautious - I am highly concerned with his amount of women he had online relationships with - and how many of those relationships the consulate is knowledgable of. Furthermore, the fact that you didn't know that he'd taken up with so many women is a little disconcerting. Be safe and be on guard. You may take my advice however you would like to.

All the best!

Staashi

[Need2know 0]

Congrats - but I say that with some serious trepidation. Your fiance/husband is walking a very, very fine line. If I was you I would be truly cautious - I am highly concerned with his amount of women he had online relationships with - and how many of those relationships the consulate is knowledgable of. Furthermore, the fact that you didn't know that he'd taken up with so many women is a little disconcerting. Be safe and be on guard. You may take my advice however you would like to.

All the best!

Staashi

I think that you're misunderstanding, all the allegations he made were false, there was not planned marriage, there was not alot of contacts there were 4 contact, I have more than that. I have access to my husbands accounts, so please don't take this into another direction.

[Need2know 0]

I just want to add that on a hunch this CO decided to play this cat and mouse game. He told me he had nothing that I just confirmed his thoughts about one of my husbands contacts. But there was nothing there he told me over and over again that the men in Morocco only want women for a visa, but I know that this is not true and sadly this is his job. But I get the feeling you have to be a bit nasty by nature to have a job like that. But, als I am sure there are men in alot of countries who only seek women for a visa.

[Always+Forever 7]

Wow...that is a crazy journey...I'm so glad it turned out with a good ending. And thank you so much for sharing your experience, I'm sure it will help many of us still on this uncontrolable journey. Its crazy that u mentioned them accessing his messenger account, cuz my fiance asked me about that the other day. They really do check EVERYTHING. We are having to reschedule our interview, because the Moroccan government is taking its time getting Hicham his passport, but luckily I am here to help him. You husband must be an amazingly strong man to handle all of that with you in the US. I would have gone crazy...lol Once again congrats & I hope you all have a wonderful life together

Monica

[Need2know 0]

Wow...that is a crazy journey...I'm so glad it turned out with a good ending. And thank you so much for sharing your experience, I'm sure it will help many of us still on this uncontrolable journey. Its crazy that u mentioned them accessing his messenger account, cuz my fiance asked me about that the other day. They really do check EVERYTHING. We are having to reschedule our interview, because the Moroccan government is taking its time getting Hicham his passport, but luckily I am here to help him. You husband must be an amazingly strong man to handle all of that with you in the US. I would have gone crazy...lol Once again congrats & I hope you all have a wonderful life together

Monica

Thank you, I don't want to scare anyone because this situation is not the norm if there is a norm. But, we don't always hear about what others have to go through during these processes. I love visa journey and found that it's helped us alot. And for the individual who stated I should be concerned about Kassim's contacts, I just want to reitterate I use his accounts and he uses mine we share the same passwords. The account that the CO was referring to was an old account that neither of us used and it only held 4 contacts, we are not criminals.

[msheesha 548]

I just want to add that on a hunch this CO decided to play this cat and mouse game. He told me he had nothing that I just confirmed his thoughts about one of my husbands contacts. But there was nothing there he told me over and over again that the men in Morocco only want women for a visa, but I know that this is not true and sadly this is his job. But I get the feeling you have to be a bit nasty by nature to have a job like that. But, als I am sure there are men in alot of countries who only seek women for a visa.

I'm a little confused - did they access your husband's messenger/email accounts? Or no?

It sounds like a long and difficult process. I hope it all works out for you, and especially the baby.

[Need2know 0]

I'm a little confused - did they access your husband's messenger/email accounts? Or no?

It sounds like a long and difficult process. I hope it all works out for you, and especially the baby.

Yes, he had information regarding his messenger account.

[sachinky 465]

How do they have access to this stuff? Isn't that breaking some serious privacy laws?

Knowing how many accounts an applicant has is one thing but having access to it is another deal altogether.

Do they have access to emails/online conversations as well? Wow, this just blows my mind!

[Staashi 371]

Thank you, I don't want to scare anyone because this situation is not the norm if there is a norm. But, we don't always hear about what others have to go through during these processes. I love visa journey and found that it's helped us alot. And for the individual who stated I should be concerned about Kassim's contacts, I just want to reitterate I use his accounts and he uses mine we share the same passwords. The account that the CO was referring to was an old account that neither of us used and it only held 4 contacts, we are not criminals.

Sister, know this - a consulate (could be any consulate) does not typically do three visa interviews if everything is kosher. There had to be some serious doubt on their part as to the validity of your relationship and the sincerity of your husband's intentions. I believe that the saving grace in your case was your daughter and that it was for her sake that the CO was wanting to establish a valid relationship. For all the background investigating they did into his past, they were concerned that he had less than honorable intentions. Fortunately, it has all worked out and his visa will be issued soon.

[Staashi 371]

How do they have access to this stuff? Isn't that breaking some serious privacy laws?

It is part of the Patriot Act and we are all subject to it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

[Need2know 0]

How do they have access to this stuff? Isn't that breaking some serious privacy laws?

Knowing how many accounts an applicant has is one thing but having access to it is another deal altogether.

Do they have access to emails/online conversations as well? Wow, this just blows my mind!

Exactly, that's how we felt.........we weighed all options. When the CO first called he said my husband was suppose to marry this woman for a visa. Than the 2nd time I spoke to the CO he said he had no information about this woman that it was just a hunch and I confirmed that he had an online relationship with her.

So, at our first conversation I thought that she sent information to the consulate but than i spoke to her that not what happened. The second conversation is when I realized he had access to his account. I addressed this to the lawyer and the lawyer said that national security can get information to these accounts.

The CO brought up Jane Doe because she was the only contact that had her informaion on her profile.

[Need2know 0]

Sister, know this - a consulate (could be any consulate) does not typically do three visa interviews if everything is kosher. There had to be some serious doubt on their part as to the validity of your relationship and the sincerity of your husband's intentions. I believe that the saving grace in your case was your daughter and that it was for her sake that the CO was wanting to establish a valid relationship. For all the background investigating they did into his past, they were concerned that he had less than honorable intentions. Fortunately, it has all worked out and his visa will be issued soon.

But they do leave the descretion to the CO and one man can make a judgement mistake hence the 3rd interview. Kassim is a good man, and just like I told the CO I know everything I need to know about him. You can all hale a CO all you want too, but I'm afraid he made a mistake. That's why they stopped him from his interview because they finally realized there was nothing there. Again, I have access to his accounts, and I have more old contacts in my messenger than he does. Last but not least he has the visa in his hands.

[Wife of Mohammed 0]

WOW...this is news for me. Makes me think. I wonder how much information they pull up on us? LOL

I don't mind them snooping on my account or my husbands. In fact, I'm glad they do. If my husband had some other life or has tried to marry online to get out of his country...I'd be happy that the US Govt. deny them.

Muslim men have different standards to live by...such as not dating, and basically refraining from most women contact. My husband never had a gf or online gf. I was his first and his last. I'm glad for this.

Thanks for sharing your story. I'm glad you fought and got what you wanted!

[Need2know 0]

WOW...this is news for me. Makes me think. I wonder how much information they pull up on us? LOL

I don't mind them snooping on my account or my husbands. In fact, I'm glad they do. If my husband had some other life or has tried to marry online to get out of his country...I'd be happy that the US Govt. deny them.

Muslim men have different standards to live by...such as not dating, and basically refraining from most women contact. My husband never had a gf or online gf. I was his first and his last. I'm glad for this.

Thanks for sharing your story. I'm glad you fought and got what you wanted!

My husband and I are in our 30's, I've served 7 years in the US army than went back to school for a 2nd degree and than when I was done I was ready to start my life and that just so happen to be in my 30's. I had online friends and families, never had an online relationship. My husband was a late bloomer, and he wanted love and that's all he wanted. He found that in me, but alot of people are not as fortunate as you and your SO, first time around. Some of us have to start over, so please don't think that he's started over a 1000 times just because say this. I am only telling the truth, I understand the online relationship he had with this individual she confirmed it with me that Kassim ended it because of his religion.