Evolution’s Backers in Kansas Start Counterattack

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Evolution should be taught in science - creationism in religious education. End of.

Amen!

[Jenn! 918]

I've asked this before... someone show me evidence that creationism is the truth. whenever i ask this, my question always goes ignored.

Truth and fact are two different facets. There's truth in the story of Goldie Locks and the Three Bears, but we all know it's not factual. The story of Creation, for many Christians is just that - an allegorical story that speaks great Truth, but it isn't factual.

So to answer your question - how do you prove a 'truth'? Truth isn't rooted in evidence, but in human logic and reasoning. Murder is morally wrong - that is a truth that we can arrive at from logic and reason.

So would you say that if a person is logical and reasonable, they would arrive at the "truth" of creationism?

They would arrive at some understanding that life's existence is infinite - way beyond what science can ever reveal.

What does "life's existence is infinite" have to do with creationism?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I've asked this before... someone show me evidence that creationism is the truth. whenever i ask this, my question always goes ignored.

Truth and fact are two different facets. There's truth in the story of Goldie Locks and the Three Bears, but we all know it's not factual. The story of Creation, for many Christians is just that - an allegorical story that speaks great Truth, but it isn't factual.

So to answer your question - how do you prove a 'truth'? Truth isn't rooted in evidence, but in human logic and reasoning. Murder is morally wrong - that is a truth that we can arrive at from logic and reason.

So would you say that if a person is logical and reasonable, they would arrive at the "truth" of creationism?

With creationism we talking the confusing of a relative truth with a literal truth.

Clearly some sort of 'creation' took place - we simply disagree on the method. One of those methods is supported by facts and empirical evidence, the other assumes a certain degree of irrationality.

There's a reason why there is a force of gravity, why water flows downhill and why your medication works. In that regard it just seems strange to me why when everything obeys the rules of physics, for instance, that there should be one aspect of existence that does not.

[thesnowman 1]

Evolution should be taught in science - creationism in religious education. End of.

Amen!

I second that.

This is such a non issue.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I've asked this before... someone show me evidence that creationism is the truth. whenever i ask this, my question always goes ignored.

Truth and fact are two different facets. There's truth in the story of Goldie Locks and the Three Bears, but we all know it's not factual. The story of Creation, for many Christians is just that - an allegorical story that speaks great Truth, but it isn't factual.

So to answer your question - how do you prove a 'truth'? Truth isn't rooted in evidence, but in human logic and reasoning. Murder is morally wrong - that is a truth that we can arrive at from logic and reason.

So would you say that if a person is logical and reasonable, they would arrive at the "truth" of creationism?

They would arrive at some understanding that life's existence is infinite - way beyond what science can ever reveal.

What does "life's existence is infinite" have to do with creationism?

If by creationism you mean a belief in a God that created everything, then infinity points to 'God'. Many religions and many cultures have their own understanding of that but the truth remains the same - an infinite power created all things.

[Jenn! 918]

I've asked this before... someone show me evidence that creationism is the truth. whenever i ask this, my question always goes ignored.

Truth and fact are two different facets. There's truth in the story of Goldie Locks and the Three Bears, but we all know it's not factual. The story of Creation, for many Christians is just that - an allegorical story that speaks great Truth, but it isn't factual.

So to answer your question - how do you prove a 'truth'? Truth isn't rooted in evidence, but in human logic and reasoning. Murder is morally wrong - that is a truth that we can arrive at from logic and reason.

So would you say that if a person is logical and reasonable, they would arrive at the "truth" of creationism?

They would arrive at some understanding that life's existence is infinite - way beyond what science can ever reveal.

What does "life's existence is infinite" have to do with creationism?

If by creationism you mean a belief in a God that created everything, then infinity points to 'God'. Many religions and many cultures have their own understanding of that but the truth remains the same - an infinite power created all things.

When I think of creationism, I think of Adam and Eve. God and evolution can coexist. Adam and Eve and evolution can not.

[*Robert* 2]

God must have been pretty surprised when the big bang happened and the universe was created.

How can that be, when he was the one that caused it?

I only see one misguided fool around here.

[rclouse 0]

When I think of creationism, I think of Adam and Eve. God and evolution can coexist. Adam and Eve and evolution can not.

One thing that has always gotten to me about creationists is, who did Cain marry after he murdered his brother? Where did his wife come from? If the Creation story is to be taken literally, then everyone must be a descendent of Adam and Eve. So when did Eve have a daughter for Cain to marry? And isn't incest forbidden in the Bible?

One thing that's interesting about Islam is that it tells the same story about Adam but it is compatible with evolution. From what I understand, Adam was the first prophet, the first man to receive revelations from God. Adam was given a choice of staying in the garden of Eden and staying ignorant or leaving the garden with the knowledge he had gotten. He chose to leave the garden and remain enlightened. So in Islam, there are people before Adam, but he's just the first prophet.

[*Robert* 2]

When I think of creationism, I think of Adam and Eve. God and evolution can coexist. Adam and Eve and evolution can not.

One thing that has always gotten to me about creationists is, who did Cain marry after he murdered his brother? Where did his wife come from? If the Creation story is to be taken literally, then everyone must be a descendent of Adam and Eve. So when did Eve have a daughter for Cain to marry? And isn't incest forbidden in the Bible?

Along the same lines, I like to think about the flood, and how Moses was able to get two of every kind of animal on his arc. After the rain, what did he do, make pit stops at the different places and drop off the unique species? Stop at Australia, drop of the kangaroos and koala bears, then go to Madagascar and drop of the Lemurs, then swing by Africa and drop off the zebras and other animals?

Edited August 3, 2006 by roi_aggie

[Jenn! 918]

One thing that's interesting about Islam is that it tells the same story about Adam but it is compatible with evolution. From what I understand, Adam was the first prophet, the first man to receive revelations from God. Adam was given a choice of staying in the garden of Eden and staying ignorant or leaving the garden with the knowledge he had gotten. He chose to leave the garden and remain enlightened. So in Islam, there are people before Adam, but he's just the first prophet.

Wow, thank you for sharing that. I didn't know that. My husband believes in Adam and Eve, and it's come up a couple of times, but neither of us realized that our stories are not quite the same!

When I think of creationism, I think of Adam and Eve. God and evolution can coexist. Adam and Eve and evolution can not.

One thing that has always gotten to me about creationists is, who did Cain marry after he murdered his brother? Where did his wife come from? If the Creation story is to be taken literally, then everyone must be a descendent of Adam and Eve. So when did Eve have a daughter for Cain to marry? And isn't incest forbidden in the Bible?

Along the same lines, I like to think about the flood, and how Moses was able to get two of every kind of animal on his arc. After the rain, what did he do, make pit stops at the different places and drop off the unique species? Stop at Australia, drop of the kangaroos and koala bears, then go to Madagascar and drop of the Lemurs, then swing by Africa and drop off the zebras and other animals?

No, silly! He gave the animals to Santa Claus, and Santa Claus delivered the animals in his sleigh. Duh.

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One thing that's interesting about Islam is that it tells the same story about Adam but it is compatible with evolution. From what I understand, Adam was the first prophet, the first man to receive revelations from God. Adam was given a choice of staying in the garden of Eden and staying ignorant or leaving the garden with the knowledge he had gotten. He chose to leave the garden and remain enlightened. So in Islam, there are people before Adam, but he's just the first prophet.

Check these out:

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=34508&ln=eng

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=14195

Edited August 3, 2006 by Gupt

[danae 0]

When I think of creationism, I think of Adam and Eve. God and evolution can coexist. Adam and Eve and evolution can not.

One thing that has always gotten to me about creationists is, who did Cain marry after he murdered his brother? Where did his wife come from? If the Creation story is to be taken literally, then everyone must be a descendent of Adam and Eve. So when did Eve have a daughter for Cain to marry? And isn't incest forbidden in the Bible?

Along the same lines, I like to think about the flood, and how Moses was able to get two of every kind of animal on his arc. After the rain, what did he do, make pit stops at the different places and drop off the unique species? Stop at Australia, drop of the kangaroos and koala bears, then go to Madagascar and drop of the Lemurs, then swing by Africa and drop off the zebras and other animals?

I think you mean noah?

What I was always told was that these bible stories were made to help children better understand gods work and stuff. What the 'real' stories that these childrens ones were made from I do not know- neither does anyone else probably.

It seems as though people actually take these things literally though.

One guy was trying to convince me that the bible was true, and was telling me how noah deliberately didnt take dinosaurs on the ark with him so that they would die out and humans could then use their fossils to fuel our modern lives. oh man.

[*Robert* 2]

My bad!!! It has been a while... you're right, I meant to say Noah, NOT Moses!!! LOL

It's hard to tell all the miracle workers apart!!!

Moses was the guy that parted the Red Sea and killed all those bad Roman soldiers right?

[danae 0]

My bad!!! It has been a while... you're right, I meant to say Noah, NOT Moses!!! LOL

It's hard to tell all the miracle workers apart!!!

Moses was the guy that parted the Red Sea and killed all those bad Roman soldiers right?

I have no clue....noah is the only one I know!!

[ceriserose 1]

When I think of creationism, I think of Adam and Eve. God and evolution can coexist. Adam and Eve and evolution can not.

One thing that has always gotten to me about creationists is, who did Cain marry after he murdered his brother? Where did his wife come from? If the Creation story is to be taken literally, then everyone must be a descendent of Adam and Eve. So when did Eve have a daughter for Cain to marry? And isn't incest forbidden in the Bible?

Along the same lines, I like to think about the flood, and how Moses was able to get two of every kind of animal on his arc. After the rain, what did he do, make pit stops at the different places and drop off the unique species? Stop at Australia, drop of the kangaroos and koala bears, then go to Madagascar and drop of the Lemurs, then swing by Africa and drop off the zebras and other animals?

I read a pretty interesting de-bunking of the flood account. I wish I could remember where. It was talking about the science of the waters rising and the evidence we should see geologically should that have happened (based on previously flooded areas we know of definitively).

I always found it fascinating how the flood account is in many religions and cultures. Makes one wonder if it was just a really big storm that got magnified in the re-telling (like the telephone game or a fisherman's tale...)