Out of idle curiousity...

[Thingee 0]

Occured to me to ponder this what with all the talking lately about proving you had actually seen this person. If you enter the persons address on that little form as the place you'd be staying wouldn't that indicate you had seen them? Hmmm. Probably inaccesible information after it's been filed, but an interesting idea anyway.

[RosaMystica7 0]

I dunno... but related, I have one of the address tags my fiance had on his luggage when he came here. It says his name c/o my name and my address. I don't know if that would work, but if you have that from suitcases, it'd be worth asking here to see if you could use it.

[Alanlvsjudy 0]

I dont think you can use it...its not exactly PROOF...I could write that I was visiting mars on something, but it doesnt prove I did.

Good Luck, have a great day!

[no name 1]

I dont think you can use it...its not exactly PROOF...I could write that I was visiting mars on something, but it doesnt prove I did.

Good Luck, have a great day!

true.

[samir_shannon 0]

they want pics, plane tickets, pics with family, etc.

[Thingee 0]

I wasn't questioning what to supply, was more pondering in text. I mean, it would be going pretty far to get on a plane, fly to whatever country is being discussed, fill in the required documentation as to where you'll be spending your stay, then stay somewhere else to not meet the person in question.

Again, as this has been knocked around quite a bit the past few days, it's more my over active brain going into 'what if's'. IE, thank goodness we'll be going through this soon because eventually with technology advancing the way it is NOTHING could be defined as solid proof...meaning everything can be doctored.

[caagirl 0]

airplane tickets and boarding stubs are the best way to show you visited your future spouse!

That is what we did make photo copies and your flight schedule too...

[RosaMystica7 0]

Yeah, but what about the poster's idea? Is there a way to call up the flight company or customs and get a copy of that thing she filled out? Sure it could be proof - didn't she have to hand that form into customs when she landed? She wouldn't lie on a piece of paper that's given to customs (I hope ). I guess the question is really whether or not something like that can be accessed.

Thingee, why don't you try making some phone calls, see if you can get anywhere?

Oh, and if the "I could write something on a piece of paper that I'm going to Mars" comment was in reply to my suggestion, that's true. But train tickets (around here the train tickets don't have the passengers names on them) are listed as proof that could be sent in the guides, and I remember someone saying that circumstantial proof - if it helps to paint the picture of the visit - could be sent, in addition to the primary concrete proof. So the British Airways tag with his name c/o my name with my address written on it would be circumstantial proof... he could've walked into the airport, picked it up, and written that on it. I could've done it myself. It could be from a different flight. But those train tickets could've been from someone else. So the circumstantial proof along with the concrete evidence, if I remember what I read right, helps to finish painting the picture. It's probably not necessary, but I'm going to include it in my proof of his having met... and I'm going to put it along with his British Airways boarding passes, British Airways baggage reciepts, etc.

[Yodrak 7]

Thingee,

Are you asking if one went to visit their alien fiance(e), and if that country's equivalent of the I-94 had the address where one was going to stay on the departure section (I-94 does not), and if one further had the forethought to make a copy of that form before they had to surrender it when they left the country, would that be good evidence of having met?

Good thought - I think it would be a worthwhile addition to the other evidence that people typically submit.

Yodrak

Occured to me to ponder this what with all the talking lately about proving you had actually seen this person. If you enter the persons address on that little form as the place you'd be staying wouldn't that indicate you had seen them? Hmmm. Probably inaccesible information after it's been filed, but an interesting idea anyway.

[RosaMystica7 0]

Thingee,

Are you asking if one went to visit their alien fiance(e), and if that country's equivalent of the I-94 had the address where one was going to stay on the departure section (I-94 does not), and if one further had the forethought to make a copy of that form before they had to surrender it when they left the country, would that be good evidence of having met?

The problem is... what if one didn't have that foresight? Is there a way to obtain a copy?

[Yodrak 7]

aselano,

And there were other 'ifs' as well.

Foresight is a good thing to develop when one is approaching an immigration case - we should remind people of that here on VJ!

Yodrak

Thingee,

Are you asking if one went to visit their alien fiance(e), and if that country's equivalent of the I-94 had the address where one was going to stay on the departure section (I-94 does not), and if one further had the forethought to make a copy of that form before they had to surrender it when they left the country, would that be good evidence of having met?

The problem is... what if one didn't have that foresight? Is there a way to obtain a copy?

[RosaMystica7 0]

Yeah. Too bad so many of us didn't have a clue we'd need all this stuff when the visits happened! That's why I'm wondering if there's a way that copies of those things could be obtained. Might be useful in helping people who are struggling to put together enough evidence - like Thingee is.

Is the address where the person will be staying on the forms that people fill out when they come into the country on the visa waiver program?

[Yodrak 7]

aselano,

I think that I-94W and I-94 are identical except for the color of the stock they're printed on. The arrival section asks for the address, the departure section does not have it. (Why would it?)

I've been trying to recall if the I-94 equivalent from my wife's country has the address on the departure section, I do recall that it contains more duplicate information than does the US I-94.

Yodrak

Yeah. Too bad so many of us didn't have a clue we'd need all this stuff when the visits happened! That's why I'm wondering if there's a way that copies of those things could be obtained. Might be useful in helping people who are struggling to put together enough evidence - like Thingee is.

Is the address where the person will be staying on the forms that people fill out when they come into the country on the visa waiver program?

[RosaMystica7 0]

I just asked my fiance (France, so he came in on the VWP) if he had to write where he'd be staying. On the form when he flew in he said he did, and he said he handed the form into customs there. He said he doesn't remember filling out anything when he departed. He also told me that the VWP form was green where the form when he came here on a religious worker visa was white. He said that, other than color, the two forms were a little different.

I've never flown to France, so I don't know how the forms are for a USC going in/out of that country.

So, like... can I call up somewhere and get a photocopy of the forms that he filled out and gave to customs? Or, if someone comes into the country with that form, could they request a photocopy of it before they continue past customs?

[Thingee 0]

Folks, it was really more a random thought than an idea for I-129F forms. Just struck as an idea. My brain just tends to work like that and I wondered if anyone else had wondered. See, no one seems to agree on what 'concrete' proof is, and I'm not looking to stir things up here, and my thinking was on arrival in the UK I had to supply the address I would be staying at. They require the same upon entry to the US I've been told. I was half wondering actually if they don't poke through the records themselves.

Anyway all of this is basically Thingee going hmmmmmmm.