labels

[Dan T 8]

Just wondering how useful they are? just to start the list from a political standpoint....

progressive,

liberal

marxist

fascist

socialist

communist

democrat

conservative

libertarian

tea partier( i like ** better just cause it makes me giggle)

capitalist

republican

bible thumper

red neck

aethiest,

agnostic

budhist

hindu

christian

muslim

jew

wiccan

and for myself I am a non-denominational pagan/naturist, small p, not affiliated with the biker gang

ive used them myself and maybe at the wrong people at times. I was just wondering what real good comes from using a label like these, and please feel free to add your own, either on yourself or on someone else. Do they really tell you the whole story about someone? Are they usefull at all? I go back and forth depending on the moon cycle. I do think its important to avoid people who use the capital letter versions of any of the above listed as well as those types whoe refuse to have any associations with anyone that self-applies a different label than themselves.

for example: most naturists that I know are anti-war at the expense of all else, a good majority are so Naturistic that they oppose all forms of industry because of their belief that human activity of any kind, even breathing and pooping, throws the rest of the gods creations into unbalance. I myself, and I do know other pagans who feel as I do that humans come first, but consider nature when engaging in any activity. Personally I think the earth can stick up for itself when it comes to managing industry that is harmful to it(see great american dust bin) but i am in a scarce minority among those I attend ritual with. I also think that war to defeat tyranny is a good thing in general, again that puts me in a minority among my peers. at the end of the day I would rather attend religious rights in an outdoor setting, and speak to the gods I worship on my own terms and not adhere to strict religious orthodox and dogma or follow the teachings of a particular preacher or heirarchy so I am much more likely to congregate with wiccans than anyone of an abrahamic faith. my political allies and my religious breatheren both think i keep strange company with the other group

[Calypso 464]

Have you ever tried skyclad rituals?

I'll add a few words to the list:

moron

imbecile

idiot

I might contribute more later once my spaghetti is done.

I do think its important to avoid people who use the capital letter versions of any of the above listed as well as those types whoe refuse to have any associations with anyone that self-applies a different label than themselves.

E.E. Cummings had his own reason for not using proper capitalization and punctuation but experimented with syntax instead.

Edited April 1, 2010 by Calypso

[Calypso 464]

And oh... Have you ever heard that language is arbitrary? Things don't have meanings or labels by themselves but we attached names and labels on our own. We can really change labels, words, and their meanings. I can call a chair vavavoom.

My pet is a cat but what if cats don't actually call themselves cats and they have their own name for their species or they have no name at all?

[Dan T 8]

Have you ever tried skyclad rituals?

I have but only with my wife behind a very high security fence.

[Dan T 8]

And oh... Have you ever heard that language is arbitrary? Things don't have meanings or labels by themselves but we attached names and labels on our own. We can really change labels, words, and their meanings. I can call a chair vavavoom.

My pet is a cat but what if cats don't actually call themselves cats and they have their own name for their species or they have no name at all?

not sure who said it, id appreciate someone telling me who did but i think there is a great deal of wisdom to the following quote

when you label me, you negate me

i also feel the need to add that I think it is important to be a die-hard idealouge to your own unique set of values. This is not to say be a martyr for them, but at some point i also whole-heartedly believe that you must be willing to die for something or you live for nothing(quote source unknown)

[Darnell 8,478]

i love labels.

i love the 'study of labels over time' even more.

IMO, the 'shifting of definitions' for the labels is even more 'telling', over time. Ya, I do mean time, like 2000 years plus.

Labels have always been useful. To SomeOne, ya?

I was just wondering what real good comes from using a label like these,

In every strata of society, the singular individual must differentiate between 'us' and 'them'. Labels have always assisted in identifying 'them'.

Happy Thursday !!!

Edited April 2, 2010 by Darnell

[Dan T 8]

i love labels.

i love the 'study of labels over time' even more.

IMO, the 'shifting of definitions' for the labels is even more 'telling', over time. Ya, I do mean time, like 2000 years plus.

Labels have always been useful. To SomeOne, ya?

Happy Thursday !!!

but one has to wonder if studying these labels and their shifting definitions tells you more about the shooter or the target of said label.

Edited April 2, 2010 by Dan T

[Darnell 8,478]

but one has to wonder if studying these labels and their shifting definitions tells you more about the shooter or the target of said label.

IMO, the shooter . It's not an easy study, btw.

[Dan T 8]

IMO, the shooter . It's not an easy study, btw.

im with you on that one. youd also have to look at the larger cultural context at a given time also. I think the capital letter variations though tend to be more rigid throughout the passage of time, though they do shift in their own way.

[Calypso 464]

not sure who said it, id appreciate someone telling me who did but i think there is a great deal of wisdom to the following quote

when you label me, you negate me

i also feel the need to add that I think it is important to be a die-hard idealouge to your own unique set of values. This is not to say be a martyr for them, but at some point i also whole-heartedly believe that you must be willing to die for something or you live for nothing(quote source unknown)

Soren Kierkegaard

"Once you label me, you negate me."

[alienlovechild 75]

Just wondering how useful they are? just to start the list from a political standpoint....

and for myself I am a non-denominational pagan/naturist, small p, not affiliated with the biker gang

Some of your terms are solely religious and not sure you can automatically take a political stand on them.

I had to look up the word "naturist" as I was more familiar with the term "nudist". That seems to be a fig leaf of semantics as most people would think you're just into nature.

[Calypso 464]

Isn't that supposedly "naturalist"?

[Dan T 8]

Some of your terms are solely religious and not sure you can automatically take a political stand on them.

I had to look up the word "naturist" as I was more familiar with the term "nudist". That seems to be a fig leaf of semantics as most people would think you're just into nature.

naturist was at some point used by nudists to put a more friendly face on their nudity practices. I liken it to eddy izards distinction between transvestite and tranvestite executiv. i dont even know if I use the term correctly when I use it to refer to my practice of a nature based polytheistic neo-pagan religion of my own design. I am certainly no nudist myself, but i think they are some pretty strange yet groovy people, as with all other labels listed taking nudism to an extreme represents a dangerous mindset but i think the same thing of the rank-and-file nudist that I do the rank-and-file catholic, which is that they are basically harmless, but I do also think there MAY be an element of pedophilia to some groups.

Isn't that supposedly "naturalist"?

not real sure whether I am a naturalist or a naturist nor which one correctly refers to the sub-set of nudists, see previous post.

[Dan T 8]

heres a few more to consider

traitor

loyalist

unionist

protestant

papist

i was really hoping to spark some discussion about what some of these labels mean to members on a personal level and in modern context and maybe compare definitions

Edited April 2, 2010 by Dan T

[one...two...tree 2,762]

And oh... Have you ever heard that language is arbitrary? Things don't have meanings or labels by themselves but we attached names and labels on our own. We can really change labels, words, and their meanings. I can call a chair vavavoom.

My pet is a cat but what if cats don't actually call themselves cats and they have their own name for their species or they have no name at all?

I'm not sure if you've heard of Ken Wilber, but I read an essay back in college from him and I think it was called, "Half of it," but I can't find it online.

Here's a quote of his that I found which is along the same lines of the essay (as I remember it at least):

"But, we ask, what will happen to our drive for progress if we see all opposites are one? Well, with any luck, it will stop--and with it that peculiar discontent that thrives on the illusion that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. But we should be clear about this. I do not mean that we will cease making advancements of a sort in medicine, agriculture, and technology. We will only cease to harbor the illusion that happiness depends on it. For when we see through the illusions of our boundaries, we will see, here and now, the universe as Adam saw it before the Fall: an organic unity, a harmony of opposites, a melody of positive and negative, delight with the play of our vibratory existence. When the opposites are realized to be one, discord melts into concord, battles become dances, and old enemies become lovers. We are then in a position to make friends with all of our universe, and not just one half of it."

-- No Boundary , p. 29