So, What's the Real Reason Liberals Want to Take Away Your Guns?

[justashooter 430]

Statistic Fail - Correlation does not imply causation

actually, this is true in principle, but the statement ignores the fact that experiments with controlled variables have been done, and are ongoing as restrictions are lifted across the country. removing concealed carry prohibitions and allowing people to arm themselves legally can be seen as an independent variable. lower crime rates in the same areas can be seen as a dependent variable.

the iconic experiment in regard to the question of whether an armed populace will reduce criminal assault occured in south florida in teh early 80's the year after cuba emptied it's jails into boats with maps to America. the rape rate went up 800% in dade county in one year, and was reduced below the pre-incident levels the following year by the county sherrif's widely publicised invitation to county women to come to the sherrif's range for free training and ammunition, and an installment purchase plan on a service revolver. raping became a dangerous profession in dade county, so the rapists moved elsewhere, or began to pay for services rendered with professionals.

hard to find a cert on this, as it predates google, but those of us who were adults and interested in such topics remember reading about it in the American Rifleman and Shooting Times, and seeing reports of this series of events on the national news.

[Dan T 8]

this guy has never met a person out of his social class.

psychological weapons? yeah, that's right, you'll use your jedi mind tricks on some junkie who happened to have a gun or knife when he decides to rob you.

a knife I can handle no problem, i have been trained in this and am at least 95% confident I could respond with force and survive. A gun I also have training in but am less than 30% confident. I have no wish to interfere with your exercise of your 2nd ammendmant rights I merely wished to state that I choose not to exercise mine. If there was a reliable way to disarm thugs, or junkies as you call em, I would perhaps support diminishing the 2nd ammendment somewhat. I am aware, however, that such a disarmament is next to impossible to implement and I am therefore against any attempt to disarm law abiding citizens from arming themselves to their hearts content in order to preserve their own life, and family's life. read my whole post next time before you react i think youll find that we are not in opposition

[lostinblue 1,989]

no i have not ever been in that situation, but even if i were armed id sooner surrender my posessions that take that persons life.

It's not the personal possessions we worry about rather our cute 16 year old daughter we would rather not "surrender"

[Dan T 8]

It's not the personal possessions we worry about rather our cute 16 year old daughter we would rather not "surrender"

then call me chickensh** for purposefully avoiding dangerous situations to begin with. i am by no means well to do and I was held at knife point by two thugs as a 17 year old for a $120 sports team logo jacket. I fought unsucessfully against my attackers and lost the jacket. Since then I have sought out much better self-defense training and have been much smarter about where I choose to walk alone at night.

[justashooter 430]

a knife I can handle no problem, i have been trained in this and am at least 95% confident I could respond with force and survive. A gun I also have training in but am less than 30% confident. I have no wish to interfere with your exercise of your 2nd ammendmant rights I merely wished to state that I choose not to exercise mine. If there was a reliable way to disarm thugs, or junkies as you call em, I would perhaps support diminishing the 2nd ammendment somewhat. I am aware, however, that such a disarmament is next to impossible to implement and I am therefore against any attempt to disarm law abiding citizens from arming themselves to their hearts content in order to preserve their own life, and family's life. read my whole post next time before you react i think youll find that we are not in opposition

i have training in close quarters combat with and without weapons, disarm, weapons retention, etc, and would still rather have a gun of my own in any gunfight.

i trained to disarm an individual standing 2-6 feet away from me with a gun pointed at my chest, and passed the simunitions test repeatedly. my redirect of the aim of the attacker's gun was faster than his startled respone time to trigger pull, and the subsequent moves to break his lower arm and to disarm are also well practiced. do i want to bet my life on this? no way. if i ever find a need to use these skills, it means that i have failed to remain situationally aware, and allowed an assailant to gain the advantage. my gun should always be out before or at the same moment as his, and i should not hesitate to pull the trigger, as he probably will.

first rule of gunfighting, bring a gun.

[Dan T 8]

i have training in close quarters combat with and without weapons, disarm, weapons retention, etc, and would still rather have a gun of my own in any gunfight.

i trained to disarm an individual standing 2-6 feet away from me with a gun pointed at my chest, and passed the simunitions test repeatedly. my redirect of the aim of the attacker's gun was faster than his startled respone time to trigger pull, and the subsequent moves to break his lower arm and to disarm are also well practiced. do i want to bet my life on this? no way. if i ever find a need to use these skills, it means that i have failed to remain situationally aware, and allowed an assailant to gain the advantage. my gun should always be out before or at the same moment as his, and i should not hesitate to pull the trigger, as he probably will.

first rule of gunfighting, bring a gun.

and more power to you, rock on my brother. It is your right to do so in this country and I support that right. I just cannot pretend to be comfortable with the idea of carrying a gun myself and if I have to meet my maker prematurely because of it I am prepared to accept those consequences. Perhaps when, or even if, I ever have a 16yo daughter my view may change, but right now as a believer in an eternal soul and in reincarnation I feel more protected by not carrying a deadly weapon on my person or have one in my home that I do feel quite safe in.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The headline should read: So, what's the reason the paranoid keep making the ridiculous claim that anyone wants to take their guns away?

[Dan T 8]

The headline should read: So, what's the reason the paranoid keep making the ridiculous claim that anyone wants to take their guns away?

consult the UN on that

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

The same reason they want to do anything else. Control.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

consult the UN on that

you're getting more ridiculous with every post you make, kiddo.

[Dan T 8]

you're getting more ridiculous with every post you make, kiddo.

well you know what they say about oppinions and aholes

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

no i have not ever been in that situation, but even if i were armed id sooner surrender my posessions that take that persons life.

Victim 101? Do they teach that at the community college where you live?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

actually, this is true in principle, but the statement ignores the fact that experiments with controlled variables have been done, and are ongoing as restrictions are lifted across the country. removing concealed carry prohibitions and allowing people to arm themselves legally can be seen as an independent variable. lower crime rates in the same areas can be seen as a dependent variable.

the iconic experiment in regard to the question of whether an armed populace will reduce criminal assault occured in south florida in teh early 80's the year after cuba emptied it's jails into boats with maps to America. the rape rate went up 800% in dade county in one year, and was reduced below the pre-incident levels the following year by the county sherrif's widely publicised invitation to county women to come to the sherrif's range for free training and ammunition, and an installment purchase plan on a service revolver. raping became a dangerous profession in dade county, so the rapists moved elsewhere, or began to pay for services rendered with professionals.

hard to find a cert on this, as it predates google, but those of us who were adults and interested in such topics remember reading about it in the American Rifleman and Shooting Times, and seeing reports of this series of events on the national news.

There was a column called "The Armed Citizen". http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

well you know what they say about oppinions and aholes

hurt?

[Dan T 8]

Victim 101? Do they teach that at the community college where you live?

no they dont and ive never thought of myself as a victem, nor would I start to if I was ever held up by a junkie as described. i am the zen master you see....

hurt?

sounds like someone does a little bit too much of a drug called self-importance with a chaser of self-impress