The constitution? who cares....

[Dan T 8]

I see plenty of threads about the whether or not this health care bill is constitutional. It occured to me though that the question that should be asked is do you really give a darn if the constitution is shreded in order to "extend health insurance to 30 million people that don't currently have it". Im not looking for an argument on whether this bill acheives that goal, or if that number is even an accurate account of people who want coverage but can't get it. I'm asking hypothetically if this bill, or portions of it, were found to be unconstitutional how many of you would say screw it, it helps a lot of people, sure shred the constitution I don't really care about a 230+ year piece of paper.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I wouldn't.

[Dan T 8]

I wouldn't.

well yeah thats a given

Edited March 27, 2010 by Dan T

[Obama 2012 1,714]

you wouldnt what exactly

I wouldn't Tear it to pieces.

If there's one thing that holds this nation together and gives it a chance in hell, it's that 'outdated' document as some would call it.

Edited March 27, 2010 by Paul and Vanessa

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Tear it to pieces.

If there's one thing that holds this nation together and gives it a chance in hell, it's that 'outdated' document as some would call it.

We have the Judicial Branch that decides on matters of constitutionality when it comes to law. It is not a simple undertaking that self proclaimed constitutional scholars can do themselves with certainty. While you may disagree with a Supreme Court decision, it has the authority to decide what is constitutional or not. We also have the ability to amend the Constitution. It's really a wonderful system that the Founders of this country instituted.

[Nyte 1]

We have the Judicial Branch that decides on matters of constitutionality when it comes to law. It is not a simple undertaking that self proclaimed constitutional scholars can do themselves with certainty. While you may disagree with a Supreme Court decision, it has the authority to decide what is constitutional or not. We also have the ability to amend the Constitution. It's really a wonderful system that the Founders of this country instituted.

This is exactly correct. This is the very fabric of what our country is founded on. As much as I may personally disagree on things, once the Supreme Court decides on an issue, that is what I will accept.

[Dan T 8]

We have the Judicial Branch that decides on matters of constitutionality when it comes to law. It is not a simple undertaking that self proclaimed constitutional scholars can do themselves with certainty. While you may disagree with a Supreme Court decision, it has the authority to decide what is constitutional or not. We also have the ability to amend the Constitution. It's really a wonderful system that the Founders of this country instituted.

You kinda missed the point of the question though. Im starting with a given that the bill was found to be unconstitutional, the means by which this decision is reached are irrelavant to this discussion. I'm simply asking who would take the stance of "giving people health care serves the greater good, so to hell with the constitution" or take the side of myself and paul as expressed by him in a much more eloquant manner than I ever could. This is a question purely of values and not of facts or judicial precedence.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

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[Nagishkaw 510]

This is exactly correct. This is the very fabric of what our country is founded on. As much as I may personally disagree on things, once the Supreme Surprise Court decides on an issue, that is what I will accept.

Fixx0red.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I see plenty of threads about the whether or not this health care bill is constitutional. It occured to me though that the question that should be asked is do you really give a darn if the constitution is shreded in order to "extend health insurance to 30 million people that don't currently have it". Im not looking for an argument on whether this bill acheives that goal, or if that number is even an accurate account of people who want coverage but can't get it. I'm asking hypothetically if this bill, or portions of it, were found to be unconstitutional how many of you would say screw it, it helps a lot of people, sure shred the constitution I don't really care about a 230+ year piece of paper.

Are you saying you would trade the constitution for health security for 30 million people? I wouldn't.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have."

[Dan T 8]

Fixx0red.

well yeah this is a problem that goes back to the very first "supreme" court, which raises questions of term limits for judges and about whether the current supreme court should review cases that were decided by previous incarnations. I personally think any person on the public payroll down to the janitor at city hall should have a term limit, but again this is missing the point of the thread.

[Dan T 8]

Are you saying you would trade the constitution for health security for 30 million people? I wouldn't.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have."

you hit the nail on the head with your interpretation of the question and I happen to agree with your stance 100%. who are the source of those quotes btw, Ive heard them both numerous times but no credit ever given

[Martyshk 137]

As an immigrant myself, I admire this country. The country that upheld this "piece of paper" as it's ultimate law for 230 years.

While I do not agree with any party we have in this country, on lots of things... I respect the Constitution and I would never be up for shredding it or tearing it up.

[luckytxn 2,264]

That outdated piece of paper will be around a lot longer than any of us here or our future progeny.

[Danno 1,228]

This is exactly correct. This is the very fabric of what our country is founded on. As much as I may personally disagree on things, once the Supreme Court decides on an issue, that is what I will accept.

Don't be a sap, the Supreme Court is but one branch of government,(no more, no less) if you want to garner Infallibility to the Supreme court you go right ahead, black robes are not all that impressive to me.... especially when one considers some who have worn them.