If Healthcare is a right?

[My Name Is Nobody 3]

Why are we mandated to pay for it?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Why are we mandated to pay for it?

You are not mandated to pay for it. You can choose not to and pay increased taxes in its stead. You are, as you well know, mandated to pay taxes

[Obama 2012 1,714]

No.

You have the right to afford yourself the ability to purchase health care, but you have no right to health care, just as you have no right to a 60" HDTV.

[My Name Is Nobody 3]

You are not mandated to pay for it. You can choose not to and pay increased taxes in its stead. You are, as you well know, mandated to pay taxes

You are one good spinster. So, yes I'am mandated to pay for it.

Name a right Im forced to pay for?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

You are one good spinster. So, yes I'am mandated to pay for it.

No, you're only forced to pay the IRS what they say you owe them. You may choose to not pay the IRS and buy insurance, instead. Your choice.

[My Name Is Nobody 3]

No, you're only forced to pay the IRS what they say you owe them. You may choose to not pay the IRS and buy insurance, instead. Your choice.

Any healthcare I receive is payed for in one way or another so it cant be considered a right.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Any healthcare I receive is payed for in one way or another so it cant be considered a right.

I was addressing the point of being forced to participate in the mandate. You're not. There is no mandate to buy insurance. There is only a mandate to pay taxes to the IRS. You are being given the opportunity to exempt yourself from the tax by buying insurance. If you make less than 400% of poverty, the Federal government will even share your premium cost with you. The only "coercion" by government here is the requirement to the pay the IRS. But that is a form of coercion that has long been constitutionally settled. They have the right to do it, whether we like it or not.

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[mawilson 2,133]

I was addressing the point of being forced to participate in the mandate. You're not. There is no mandate to buy insurance. There is only a mandate to pay taxes to the IRS. You are being given the opportunity to exempt yourself from the tax by buying insurance. If you make less than 400% of poverty, the Federal government will even share your premium cost with you. The only "coercion" by government here is the requirement to the pay the IRS. But that is a form of coercion that has long been constitutionally settled. They have the right to do it, whether we like it or not.

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Well aren't ya clever.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Well aren't ya clever.

It's the truth. There is no coercion in this bill unless you refuse to pay the IRS. And that the Federal government has the right to levy taxes is well settled law.

[mawilson 2,133]

It's the truth. There is no coercion in this bill unless you refuse to pay the IRS. And that the Federal government has the right to levy taxes is well settled law.

I wish they were honest and just called it a universal healthcare tax.

But that would mean that Obama lied when he promised he would not raise taxes

on those making less than $200k. Shock, horror.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I wish they were honest and just called it a universal healthcare tax.

The argument I've given you is why this bill passed muster of legal counsel. This is how it will be presented in court when those AG's sue.

The spin you heard up to now is what you needed to hear to get it passed.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Name a right Im forced to pay for?

Education.

[peejay 327]

Name a right Im forced to pay for?

Education.

Healthcare and education are government programs...not rights!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Freedom.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Freedom is right everyone pays for.

Privilege and rights are two different things.