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Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Vietnam
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I would really like to know how to go about getting the notarized time-line submitted at the interview stage. I have heard some members email a PDF version directly to the Consulate and some others give it at the interview window. Some were never even asked to give it and got pink slips anyways. Would it be better to email it to them or just bring it to the interview and hope they accept it there?

There is no sure fire way.. Bernie emailed a copy and was never asked about it... the assumption is that it was accepted.. the only way to know for sure is for him to do a FOIA inquiry for a copy of everything to see if it is in there... Many others have waited until the interview and were unsuccessful in getting them to accept it... and then they got a blue slip asking for it... others got pink..

Some folks argue that the CO would ask "why the heck is this guy emailing us a document that we did not request?" others say what could it hurt? Many here have frontloaded a timeline and it got disregarded and another was requested at the interview.

The timeline request is just one of the ways the CO's have to draw out the case alittle bit if they are not comfortable issuing the visa at the interview. The 221g is based on some information being lacking... so they say the timeline is that information.. funny how, based on US law, it (a timeline) is not an actual requirement for the visa.

I submitted a timeline with the filing to USCIS to pre-empt the CO asking for it.. the thought was that the process was all objective and I was going down a list making checkmarks... wrong///.... it is objective in part and the rest is very subjective and up to the CO...

"Every one of us bears within himself the possibilty of all passions, all destinies of life in all its forms. Nothing human is foreign to us" - Edward G. Robinson.

Filed: Country: Vietnam
Timeline
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It does not matter, I would have one at the interview that was notarized, and also you can try to email it as well. As others have said and as in my case, I had one at our interview, they refused to look at it and then requested it, and Binh told them that she had what they wanted, in truth we had everything that the Co wanted accept for the proof of her relatives living in the US. Do what you think is right and you will be fine, you can email, and then also try to submit and even frontload at the filing point and when the interview comes they can and probably would still request one. Jerome

小學教師 胡志明市,越南

Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Vietnam
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Okay thanks guys. I think I have my I-129F prepared very well now. I did find something interesting but it probably doesn't county for anything. In Section 5 of the I-129F instructions it has the "What documents do you need to prove that you can legally marry" section. Part B in this section is about the Letter of Intent. It states "provide original statements from you and your fiance(e) whom you plan to marry in 90 days of his/her admission, and copies of any evidence you wish to submit to establish your mutual intent". The latter part of the statement could mean that you could put copies of evidence of the wedding location, wedding guests and even honey moon plans since all of those fall into the category of establishing mutual intent to marry. Honestly I don't think it's a big deal, but should I go ahead and include copies of the wedding plans in the US or will be Letter of Intent be good enough?

Carl

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6/1/09 - 6/11/09-----> First meeting (Japan)

11/11/09 - 11/21/09-----> Second meeting (Japan)

2/7/10 - 2/14/10-----> Third meeting (Vietnam) (First trip to Vietnam)

4/1/10 - 4/11/10-----> Fourth meeting (Vietnam) (Second trip to Vietnam)

5/5/10-----> I-129F: NOA1

8/27/10-----> NOA2

12/20/10-----> Interview Date

Filed: Country: Vietnam
Timeline
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The US consulate says not to make any plans until you have the visa in hand, with that said I would put planned church to have the wedding or location, planned place of honeymoon, but leave out the dates. Far to many people have had their loved ones quit jobs thinking they were going to get the visa and/or have put down deposits to find out they would not have the date of their choosing because of how slow the process is or because of Ap or even denials. If you were to put those things in I am sure that it would not hurt your case, just as I said, before you slap down deposit money I would wait until you have visa in hand. Jerome

小學教師 胡志明市,越南

Country: Vietnam
Timeline
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Okay thanks guys. I think I have my I-129F prepared very well now. I did find something interesting but it probably doesn't county for anything. In Section 5 of the I-129F instructions it has the "What documents do you need to prove that you can legally marry" section. Part B in this section is about the Letter of Intent. It states "provide original statements from you and your fiance(e) whom you plan to marry in 90 days of his/her admission, and copies of any evidence you wish to submit to establish your mutual intent". The latter part of the statement could mean that you could put copies of evidence of the wedding location, wedding guests and even honey moon plans since all of those fall into the category of establishing mutual intent to marry. Honestly I don't think it's a big deal, but should I go ahead and include copies of the wedding plans in the US or will be Letter of Intent be good enough?

Carl

Just the letter of intent from both should be fine. My then fiancée was asked during the interview the plans and she told them honestly that we would be married withing 90 days after she arrived but couldn't make any firm plans until visa granted. That was all that was needed. Just keep it all as simple as possible.

Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Vietnam
Timeline
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The US consulate says not to make any plans until you have the visa in hand, with that said I would put planned church to have the wedding or location, planned place of honeymoon, but leave out the dates. Far to many people have had their loved ones quit jobs thinking they were going to get the visa and/or have put down deposits to find out they would not have the date of their choosing because of how slow the process is or because of Ap or even denials. If you were to put those things in I am sure that it would not hurt your case, just as I said, before you slap down deposit money I would wait until you have visa in hand. Jerome

we made very loose plans. We said how we want to marry, but have not decided where or when.. the co asked where and when and Thuy said that they told us not to make any plans so we have not made specific plans.. The CO was not pleased with her response. As if they told us to not make plans but still expected us to make plans anyway...

Including evidence of the Dam Hoi or Dinh Hon in the initial filing as part of the evidence of having met is a good thing.. Things that take place in VN are in your control, but the rest (things that happen here) are actually out of your control and you cant really make specific plans for... they say the process usually takes a certain length of time, but thats not the case for everyone... the scope of wedding plans for a K-1 should be limited to ideas of where and how, but when is constrained by the CO's decision and when the decision is made.

It blows my mind how many times I have read of people putting deposits on halls and catering etc. and have not had an interview...

"Every one of us bears within himself the possibilty of all passions, all destinies of life in all its forms. Nothing human is foreign to us" - Edward G. Robinson.

Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Vietnam
Timeline
Posted

we made very loose plans. We said how we want to marry, but have not decided where or when.. the co asked where and when and Thuy said that they told us not to make any plans so we have not made specific plans.. The CO was not pleased with her response. As if they told us to not make plans but still expected us to make plans anyway...

Including evidence of the Dam Hoi or Dinh Hon in the initial filing as part of the evidence of having met is a good thing.. Things that take place in VN are in your control, but the rest (things that happen here) are actually out of your control and you cant really make specific plans for... they say the process usually takes a certain length of time, but thats not the case for everyone... the scope of wedding plans for a K-1 should be limited to ideas of where and how, but when is constrained by the CO's decision and when the decision is made.

It blows my mind how many times I have read of people putting deposits on halls and catering etc. and have not had an interview...

Scott,

I see your point. I have also read the stories of girls getting hammered at the interview for not knowing the wedding details even though the Consulate specifically states NOT to make wedding plans before the visa is issued. That kinda made me wonder why they put that in the I-129F instructions that you can submit any other evidence to establish your mutual intent. I guess that is why they leave it optional for you hence the wording "that you wish to submit".

Well I guess it's no big deal. I may just stick with the Letter of Intent and leave it at that. I focused on making the rest of the petition so strong, that the Consulate may not even bother with wedding plans. If they ask my fiance at the interview, she will be prepared to answer those questions.

Carl

6/1/09 - 6/11/09-----> First meeting (Japan)

11/11/09 - 11/21/09-----> Second meeting (Japan)

2/7/10 - 2/14/10-----> Third meeting (Vietnam) (First trip to Vietnam)

4/1/10 - 4/11/10-----> Fourth meeting (Vietnam) (Second trip to Vietnam)

5/5/10-----> I-129F: NOA1

8/27/10-----> NOA2

12/20/10-----> Interview Date

Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Vietnam
Timeline
Posted

Scott,

I see your point. I have also read the stories of girls getting hammered at the interview for not knowing the wedding details even though the Consulate specifically states NOT to make wedding plans before the visa is issued. That kinda made me wonder why they put that in the I-129F instructions that you can submit any other evidence to establish your mutual intent. I guess that is why they leave it optional for you hence the wording "that you wish to submit".

Well I guess it's no big deal. I may just stick with the Letter of Intent and leave it at that. I focused on making the rest of the petition so strong, that the Consulate may not even bother with wedding plans. If they ask my fiance at the interview, she will be prepared to answer those questions.

Carl

Couple the letters of intent with evidence of engagement ceremony

"Every one of us bears within himself the possibilty of all passions, all destinies of life in all its forms. Nothing human is foreign to us" - Edward G. Robinson.

Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Vietnam
Timeline
Posted

Scott,

I see your point. I have also read the stories of girls getting hammered at the interview for not knowing the wedding details even though the Consulate specifically states NOT to make wedding plans before the visa is issued. That kinda made me wonder why they put that in the I-129F instructions that you can submit any other evidence to establish your mutual intent. I guess that is why they leave it optional for you hence the wording "that you wish to submit".

Well I guess it's no big deal. I may just stick with the Letter of Intent and leave it at that. I focused on making the rest of the petition so strong, that the Consulate may not even bother with wedding plans. If they ask my fiance at the interview, she will be prepared to answer those questions.

Carl

I think the reason the CO's sometimes ask about wedding plans is because many people make plans for how they're going to win the battle, but don't make plans for what to do after they've won. The CO wants to see what the beneficiary considers to be the end of the game - getting the visa, or getting married. If they haven't made any plans about the wedding then the CO might conclude that the ultimate goal is getting the visa, and the actual marriage is a minor detail to be worked out later.

I look at that particular clause in the I-129F instructions as an open invitation to submit pretty much anything you darn well please, especially evidence you might feel like frontloading that doesn't specifically address question 18.

12/15/2009 - K1 Visa Interview - APPROVED!

12/29/2009 - Married in Oakland, CA!

08/18/2010 - AOS Interview - APPROVED!

05/01/2013 - Removal of Conditions - APPROVED!

Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Vietnam
Timeline
Posted

lol this visa process is so much fun isn't it? Just when you think you have it all figured out, you discover something else. I agree with Jim that the way the instructions are worded on this particular issue, it leaves it completely open for you to put whatever you want. It's so funny. The Consulate specifically says not to plan for the wedding until the visa is issued, but then they can grill you at the interview for NOT making the wedding plans :whistle:

I would worry about putting wedding plans in the petition because now the CO might do the reverse and grill you at the interview for making wedding plans before the visa gets issued :wacko:

1/10/2010-----> Mailed I-130

1/17/2010-----> NOA 1 - Hard Copy

3/28/2010-----> NOA 2 - Email

4/02/2010-----> NOA 2 - Hard Copy

6/14/2010-----> NVC Processing Complete

8/02/2010-----> Interview Date @ 8:00am - Result = PINK!!!

Filed: Country: Vietnam
Timeline
Posted

we made very loose plans. We said how we want to marry, but have not decided where or when.. the co asked where and when and Thuy said that they told us not to make any plans so we have not made specific plans.. The CO was not pleased with her response. As if they told us to not make plans but still expected us to make plans anyway...

Including evidence of the Dam Hoi or Dinh Hon in the initial filing as part of the evidence of having met is a good thing.. Things that take place in VN are in your control, but the rest (things that happen here) are actually out of your control and you cant really make specific plans for... they say the process usually takes a certain length of time, but thats not the case for everyone... the scope of wedding plans for a K-1 should be limited to ideas of where and how, but when is constrained by the CO's decision and when the decision is made.

It blows my mind how many times I have read of people putting deposits on halls and catering etc. and have not had an interview...

Scott, we did the same thing as you did, at Binh's interview she knew what state we were going to get married in, that it was going to be a catholic style wedding, and the proposed weekend which was a holiday weekend, and that was it, she told the Co that we did not make anything official because they say not to, and he got irritated about that as in your case. This entire process is a joke, maybe they should stop wasting our time and hand us lottery tickets instead, and each month just have a drawing with a certain amount of approvals and denials. That seems like it is already about at that point. Jerome

小學教師 胡志明市,越南

 
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