border jumpers

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I don't have any messiah. I do not support, nor have I ever supported any immigration reform package that puts amnesty for the illegal aliens in the country today front and center and just puts some feel good decoration around it to make it palatable. You know that. And it doesn't matter who tries to sell it. I want to see the flow of illegal immigration stopped - by pulling the economic opportunity plug - and let those here illegally self deport. What remains, you put on a bus and wave farewell.

Hell freezes over again! I believe that's two things we agree on lately

[Dan T 8]

I got to agree with Lal on this... Does someone who stayed here illegally just because he "loves America" and "did not wear Lederhosen" any less illegal than someone who is hispanic? hypocrite much?

it was this exchange that you refer to that led me to differentiate between the issues of legal status type arguments and refusal to assimilate type arguments. i have seperate and distinct angers directed at both situations and am very careful to compartmentalize one from the other. I also asserted that Mexico in particular has to be treated as a special case when discussing these issues because of the high profile nature of thier presence here and the sheer percentage of illegals that originate from mexico. la raza, as pointed out by tbone, does nothing to ease anyone's anger. i repeat that if my neighbors were on vacation from the gaeltacht, spoke only gaeilge, and moved over the whole extended family from an spidal into a 2 br apt so that they could hold off the books jobs Id be equally angry at them. That is not the reality on the ground, however... at least not where I live. To be fair its estimated that 50k illegal irish currently reside in the US and Id be just as anxious to see them deported as I am our spanish speaking visitors from the south. That is if our govt ever grows a pair and cops on to the fact that this constant flood of 2nd class personell to work below min wage is breaking our country from the inside.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

I was as illegal as anyone who overstayed their visa, and I'm the first to admit it. Not a problem on my part. Had there been a way for me to immigrate legally, say by:

1) paying $25,000 to Uncle Sam for a green card, and

2) by posting an additional bond of $25,000 which is fortified the moment I become a public charge, do anything illegal, or don't make enough money to pay taxes, and

3) by providing 2 or 3 USC sponsors who would be willing to guarantee for my character, qualification, and ability to make enough money to pay income taxes and support a family . . .

I would have jumped on it, and so would have tons of other Europeans who would love to immigrate, open businesses, and pay taxes. "We" don't need welfare, "we" want to integrate totally into the current US populations, and "we" don't want to bring every living relative over here, just because.

Maybe some immigration reform will give the next generation of "quality" immigrants the opportunity to immigrate and contribute to America's economy, instead of making everything exclusively dependent on being an "immediate relative" of a USC.

If I had any say in this, being born in the US would only grant US citizenship if at least one parent is a US citizen. No more anchor babies!

[natty bumppo 297]

I was as illegal as anyone who overstayed their visa, and I'm the first to admit it. Not a problem on my part. Had there been a way for me to immigrate legally, say by:

1) paying $25,000 to Uncle Sam for a green card, and

2) by posting an additional bond of $25,000 which is fortified the moment I become a public charge, do anything illegal, or don't make enough money to pay taxes, and

3) by providing 2 or 3 USC sponsors who would be willing to guarantee for my character, qualification, and ability to make enough money to pay income taxes and support a family . . . and post a bond to support their signature

I would have jumped on it, and so would have tons of other Europeans who would love to immigrate, open businesses, and pay taxes. "We" don't need welfare, "we" want to integrate totally into the current US populations, and "we" don't want to bring every living relative over here, just because.

Maybe some immigration reform will give the next generation of "quality" immigrants the opportunity to immigrate and contribute to America's economy, instead of making everything exclusively dependent on being an "immediate relative" of a USC.

If I had any say in this, being born in the US would only grant US citizenship if at least one parent is a US citizen. No more anchor babies!

that's too cheap for jumping the line or "buying" your way into the USA. especially given the exchange rate between the euro and the $$ ...

edits:

1) if the usa decides to "sell" permission to go to the head of the line ... something the order of $500k or 500 euro (which ever is greater at the given moment) would be a better place to start

2) save values as the edited #1 apply

3) sponsor provides the same bond value as the edited greater of 500k euro or $$

[Dan T 8]

that's too cheap for jumping the line or "buying" your way into the USA. especially given the exchange rate between the euro and the $$ ...

edits:

1) if the usa decides to "sell" permission to go to the head of the line ... something the order of $500k or 500 euro (which ever is greater at the given moment) would be a better place to start

2) save values as the edited #1 apply

3) sponsor provides the same bond value as the edited greater of 500k euro or $$

no euro in 94, just fyi

[TBoneTX 45,304]

In New Jersey every library has ESL for free.

Bully for NuhJoisey. In Texas, the libraries don't.

Please don't misunderstood me, the only problem I have with Spanish speaking people is that they don't want to learn English even if they live in USA.

You continue to stereotype. Provide proven facts & figures that support your claim that "Spanish-speaking people don't want to learn English even if they live in the USA" (your punctuation & grammar corrected), or everyone continues to know that you're just blowing supercilious smoke.

I love latin music and I even attended some classes: salsa, meregue and bachata and I love it.

Bully for you, Sweetheart. Were the classes free? Did every library in NuhJoisey offer them? Did your fellow attendees want to learn American dances? On the basis of your logic, the only problem that I have with attendees of salsa, merengue, & other such classes is that they don't want to learn American styles of dance, even if they live in the USA. Edited March 31, 2010 by TBoneTX

[Dan T 8]

Bully for NuhJoisey.

only new yorkers talk like this

[littlecrazyangel 1]

Bully for NuhJoisey. In Texas, the libraries don't.You continue to stereotype. Provide proven facts & figures that support your claim that "Spanish-speaking people don't want to learn English even if they live in the USA" (your punctuation & grammar corrected), or everyone continues to know that you're just blowing supercilious smoke.Bully for you, Sweetheart. Were the classes free? Did every library in NuhJoisey offer them? Did your fellow attendees want to learn American dances? On the basis of your logic, the only problem that I have with attendees of salsa, merengue, & other such classes is that they don't want to learn American styles of dance, even if they live in the USA.

I found free ESL classes in Texas , here is just one but if you need more just let me know.

http://dallaslibrary.org/services/classes.php

There are teaching Latino dances in Europe.

Yes my English is not perfect I make mistakes but i'm willing to improve it.

3 years ago I was here on a J1 visa and I meet a lot of Spanish speaking people who didn't had basic English skills. Some of them were here for more than 5 years.

[Nina~ 431]

I found free ESL classes in Texas , here is just one but if you need more just let me know.

http://dallaslibrary.org/services/classes.php

There are teaching Latino dances in Europe.

Yes my English is not perfect I make mistakes but i'm willing to improve it.

3 years ago I was here on a J1 visa and I meet a lot of Spanish speaking people who didn't had basic English skills. Some of them were here for more than 5 years.

Have you ever been to rural towns in East Texas where people still speak German.. Or how about them funny Amish people who speak Pennsylvania Dutch and dress funny. Or what about those people in Louisiana that speak Cajun French. Do you have problem with all those people too because they did not assimilate into the mainstream Anglo-Saxon American culture??? My piece of advise to you is to stop being so judgmental and understand that not everyone is going to assimilate. Some people will cling on to their roots and heritage and that is their RIGHT as an American.

[natty bumppo 297]

no euro in 94, just fyi

no ... really /turns off sarcasm

so ... the euro option wasn't available ... that would have meant ... (hint ... $$$$)

the post was written to cover both time periods ... yesteryear or today.

[Dan T 8]

Have you ever been to rural towns in East Texas where people still speak German.. Or how about them funny Amish people who speak Pennsylvania Dutch and dress funny. Or what about those people in Louisiana that speak Cajun French. Do you have problem with all those people too because they did not assimilate into the mainstream Anglo-Saxon American culture??? My piece of advise to you is to stop being so judgmental and understand that not everyone is going to assimilate. Some people will cling on to their roots and heritage and that is their RIGHT as an American.

im actually a proponent of "why cant we do both" I havent expressed it here to date, but I am actually in favor of immigrants both retaining as much of their native culture/language usage as they can while simultaneously adapting to the new culture in the host country. I think the central/south american situation is unique in its back lash to requests for integration. setting up shops that are exclusionary to the host culture is also something I cannot abide by. I know latinos do not hold exclusive domain over this offense but they are the primary offenders in my neighborhood.

a cajun and amish person can speak english when it is expected of them, never met german speakers from texas but id be willing to bet that they too can speak english proficiently. ozzy ozbourne speaks english natively and i cant understand a damn thing he says. I even have trouble with my mother-in-law from co kerry.

[sara..... 371]

it is not near as easy to learn English as it is to learn Spanish.......my mom is 59 years old and still has problems with it she was born here in the USA and raised here but as most Latin households Spanish is the first choice of language while at home.....or when we were little in the store because she didnt want anyone to be able to understand what she was gonna do to us if we didnt stop screaming or running off

I dont have any problem with someone trying to speak English...when i go into a Asian market i know i have to listen a little closer to what they are saying...the elderly people for the most part are not going to go to classes free or paid for to learn English.....but i do have a problem with people coming here illegally...my parents jumped thru all the hoops to bring me to the USA and most of us here on this forum have jumped thru unbelievable governmental hoops to bring our s/o to the USA

Just my opinion

sara

[TBoneTX 45,304]

I found free ESL classes in Texas , here is just one but if you need more just let me know.

Which automatically convinces you (and, therefore, everybody) that all Texas libraries offer ESL classes, and that all Hispanic immigrants can and SHOULD take them, but they don't and won't because they're resisting assimilation. "Hey -- the cat had kittens in the oven, which makes them BISCUITS, si man!"

There are teaching Latino dances in Europe.

Huh?

Yes my English is not perfect I make mistakes but i'm willing to improve it.

(Yes, We Have No Bananas) I haven't seen evidence of improvement, so therefore you are unwilling to assimilate.

3 years ago I was here on a J1 visa and I meet a lot of Spanish speaking people who didn't had basic English skills. Some of them were here for more than 5 years.

Which proves your point that you "meeted" people who didn't WANT to "had" skills, which automatically proves that all Hispanic people don't want to assimilate, si man! Your logic is unassailable, which is another way of saying that you couldn't give it away for free, no man.

For the multiple-th time: Provide proven facts & figures to support your claim that "Spanish-speaking people don't want to learn English even if they live in the USA."

[Dan T 8]

no ... really /turns off sarcasm

so ... the euro option wasn't available ... that would have meant ... (hint ... $$$$)

the post was written to cover both time periods ... yesteryear or today.

it wasnt clear to me that you were aware of the fact, my bad. argument finished

[Dan T 8]

Which automatically convinces you (and, therefore, everybody) that all Texas libraries offer ESL classes, and that all Hispanic immigrants can and SHOULD take them, but they don't and won't because they're resisting assimilation. "Hey -- the cat had kittens in the oven, which makes them BISCUITS, si man!"Huh? (Yes, We Have No Bananas) I haven't seen evidence of improvement, so therefore you are unwilling to assimilate.Which proves your point that you "meeted" people who didn't WANT to "had" skills, which automatically proves that all Hispanic people don't want to assimilate, si man! Your logic is unassailable, which is another way of saying that you couldn't give it away for free, no man.

For the multiple-th time: Provide proven facts & figures to support your claim that "Spanish-speaking people don't want to learn English even if they live in the USA."

do you really think that nitpicking a posters english like this is helpful to anyone?