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As far as I'm concerned, it's not circumcision. It's f***ing mutilation.

replace mutilaton with sick and you have my vote

P.S. sorry RS, I edited the bad language in your post

lol VP you're funny.

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As far as I'm concerned, it's not circumcision. It's f***ing mutilation.

replace mutilaton with sick and you have my vote

P.S. sorry RS, I edited the bad language in your post

I gots a potty mouth.

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As far as I'm concerned, it's not circumcision. It's f***ing mutilation.

replace mutilaton with sick and you have my vote

P.S. sorry RS, I edited the bad language in your post

I gots a potty mouth.

you need some soap

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Found this on MEMRI TV, regarding FGM. The debate is between an FGM advocate Dr. Wahdan and an anti-FGM advocate Dr. Zarrar. Dr. Wahdan argues that women who are easily aroused should have their ####### partially removed; he argues that removing it entirely would be unislamic. Dr. Zarrar disagreeses, arguing it is wrong in all circumstances.

Enjoy the read.

Egyptian Experts on Islamic Religious Law Debate Female Circumcision

Following are excerpts from a debate on female circumcision in Egypt. Al-Azhar University lecturer Dr. Muhammad Wahdan and lecturer on Islamic religious law Dr. Malika Zarrar participated in the debate, which aired on the Kuwaiti Al-Rai TV on March 28, 2006.

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Dr. Malika Zarrar: I am not talking about the intellectuals or the elite. I am talking to you about reality as it is, about the people who live in cemeteries, about the reality in which I great up and lived. I am talking about what happens in South Egypt, about the Nuba, about the peasants, and so on. I speak about a reality I am experiencing, along with every woman who has been subjected to the painful and public violation of her honor.

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I consider this to be a crime, in terms of both religious and civil law. I condemn whoever tries to defend this.

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Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: Dr. Zarrar rejects female circumcision altogether, but I claim that it existed among the Arabs in ancient times, and even among the righteous caliphs. There are many references to this.

So what caused the confusion? It's the result of some wrong actions...

Interviewer: What wrong actions?

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: For example, taking my daughter to a local practitioner, who is not a professional, yet she cuts off the girl's thing. I am saying to all the people who are watching that I am against the pharaonic circumcision, which is still practiced in Egypt. I'm totally against it. It's forbidden.

I'm against the complete removal of the #######. I'm totally against this, because it is forbidden and does not please Allah.

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The caliph Omar bin Al-Khattab said to the circumciser: "When you perform khifadh circumcision - leave a part of it." This proves it was prevalent among the Arabs in the days of Omar.

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Khifadh circumcision is not meant for all girls, only for some.

Interviewer: Which girls?

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: I will tell you which girls. A girl phoned me once - A woman called me - there is no shame in asking questions about religion... A girl called me and said: When I take the Metro, wearing tight jeans... The Metro in Egypt jolts about like this... She said: I get really aroused. What should I do?

Dr. Malika Zarrar: God help her....

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: I asked a doctor, I'm telling you what happened... I asked a doctor, who told me this girl's ####### was very high, and that a small part of it must be cut off.

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We must take all girls to a Muslim doctor who specializes in this, who will determine whether she needs a khifadh circumcision or not. If a girl needs a khifadh, we should perform it, and if a girl does not need it, we should not.

Am I supposed to deny one of the rites of Islam and the laws of Allah?

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Dr. Malika Zarrar: The Prophet Muhammad had four daughters. Did you ever hear any claim that he circumcised any of them?

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Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: The Islamic research center at Al-Azhar University held a meeting on November 14, 1994 - I have the decision with me, if you want to copy it... It says: Regarding female circumcision - After CNN aired a report about and Egyptian girl, who was brutally circumcised... This is the repot that brought the issue to public attention, because the West wants to impose its culture and philosophy on us...

Dr. Malika Zarrar: Circumcision is always brutal.

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: The research center, the highest religious authority in the Islamic world, concluded that "female circumcision, khifadh circumcision, is legal in Islam, and must not be forbidden or regarded as a crime."

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Interviewer: How come there are religious sheiks who do not circumcise their daughters?

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: Who told you this?

Interviewer: Do you have daughters?

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: I don't have any daughters. I wish I did.

Dr. Malika Zarrar: It's a good thing you don't!

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: If I had a daughter, I would circumcise her.

Interviewer: Do you have sisters?

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: Yes, I do.

Interviewer: Have they been circumcised?

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: Let me tell you what we did. We took my young sisters to a specialist doctor, who said that one needed a circumcision and the other didn't. We performed the khifadh circumcision on the one who needed it, and we did not perform it on the one who didn't need it.

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Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: In 2001, the Center for Population Research at Al-Azahar University conducted research about the chastity of Egyptian girls and the unity of the Egyptian family. They took a representative sample of Egyptian society. The determined several factors for the chastity of Egyptian girls.

The first is the khifadh circumcision of the girls. The second factor is modesty, the third is the mother's monitoring of the daughter's behavior, and finally, the observance of prayer.

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In Egypt we have four and a half million spinsters. The definition of a spinster is a woman who has reached 30, without ever receiving a marriage proposal. We have a spinster problem in the Arab world, and the last thing we want is for them to be sexually aroused. Circumcision of the girls who need it makes them chaste, dignified, and pure.

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i wonder if anyone in vj has undergone this procedure?

Bueller? Bueller?

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They need to just stop all this kind of terror crimes ( I call them that)...totally cruel ....

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...snip story...

in those times the world was believed flat, universe revolved around the earth, etc. there are certain beliefs that need to be grown out of as new facts in science (proven) point to how rediculous the previous believed system is false. A$$hats... another way to enforce their rule over an unknowing population.

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Found this on MEMRI TV, regarding FGM. The debate is between an FGM advocate Dr. Wahdan and an anti-FGM advocate Dr. Zarrar. Dr. Wahdan argues that women who are easily aroused should have their ####### partially removed; he argues that removing it entirely would be unislamic. Dr. Zarrar disagreeses, arguing it is wrong in all circumstances.

Enjoy the read.

Dr. Malika Zarrar: Circumcision is always brutal.

FGC is associated with a high risk of long-term illness or dysfunction and with a risk of death for both girls and women. FGC can cause intense pain, hemorrhage, shock, infection, blocked menses, recurrent urinary tract infections, abscesses, and increased risk of maternal and child morbidity. The procedure itself may facilitate the spread of infection—including HIV infection—if instruments are used and not sterilized before reuse.

It is estimated that at least 2 million girls undergo FGC each year in approximately 28 African countries and some communities in the Middle East and Asia. Some girls undergo FGC at infancy, others at between seven and 10 years of age, and others upon marriage into a practicing community or just before or after the birth of a first child.

http://www.engenderhealth.org/res/onc/sexu...natomy/pg5.html

Edited August 3, 2006 by Steven_and_Jinky

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Narated By Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah : A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.

I have heard this hadeeth is weak but if it is reliable we can see that the prophet (sal allahu alayhi wa salaam) didn't tell them to do it... they were gonna do it anyway and he told them not to cut it severely... maybe her clitorous was deformed or something, we really don't know.

I have read that there are some cases where women in very hot climates have a problem with that part growing or swelling to the point that they can't have sexual intercourse. I would imagine that's where and why it started.

It was practiced in Africa long before Christianity or Islam and is practiced by people from that region, regardless of religion, to this day.

If anything, Islam limited the practice to only what may be uselful for the girl and restricts becoming extreme and mutilating her body so that she can't enjoy sex with her husband any longer.

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Islam limited the practice to only what may be uselful for the girl ...

That's crazy.

Narated By Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah : A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.

I have heard this hadeeth is weak but if it is reliable we can see that the prophet (sal allahu alayhi wa salaam) didn't tell them to do it... they were gonna do it anyway and he told them not to cut it severely...

What, he can't say no? He said don't eat bacon but he can't say don't do this?

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Narated By Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah : A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.

I have heard this hadeeth is weak but if it is reliable we can see that the prophet (sal allahu alayhi wa salaam) didn't tell them to do it... they were gonna do it anyway and he told them not to cut it severely... maybe her clitorous was deformed or something, we really don't know.

I have read that there are some cases where women in very hot climates have a problem with that part growing or swelling to the point that they can't have sexual intercourse. I would imagine that's where and why it started.

It was practiced in Africa long before Christianity or Islam and is practiced by people from that region, regardless of religion, to this day.

If anything, Islam limited the practice to only what may be uselful for the girl and restricts becoming extreme and mutilating her body so that she can't enjoy sex with her husband any longer.

you actually tried to justify it?

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Narated By Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah : A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.

I have heard this hadeeth is weak but if it is reliable we can see that the prophet (sal allahu alayhi wa salaam) didn't tell them to do it... they were gonna do it anyway and he told them not to cut it severely... maybe her clitorous was deformed or something, we really don't know.

I have read that there are some cases where women in very hot climates have a problem with that part growing or swelling to the point that they can't have sexual intercourse. I would imagine that's where and why it started.

It was practiced in Africa long before Christianity or Islam and is practiced by people from that region, regardless of religion, to this day.

If anything, Islam limited the practice to only what may be uselful for the girl and restricts becoming extreme and mutilating her body so that she can't enjoy sex with her husband any longer.

you actually tried to justify it?

mean girl, mean girl, what u gonna do when cums for you...

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It depends on the reason why it is done..... if it's because some stupid man doesn't like the fact that "his women" have a healthy sexual appetite then NO!

But if it's a matter of correcting a deformity then yes. You men run to the doctor everytime any little stress in your life messes up your "flow" but we can't have something corrected if it is obstructing our pleasure? Get a life.

Why would he say no if she was messed up down there? That would just be cruel.

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But if it's a matter of correcting a deformity then yes. You men run to the doctor everytime any little stress in your life messes up your "flow" but we can't have something corrected if it is obstructing our pleasure? Get a life.

Why would he say no if she was messed up down there? That would just be cruel.

Please be specific in describing a specific type of 'deformity' that would be alleviated by FGM. I am truly curious.

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It depends on the reason why it is done..... if it's because some stupid man doesn't like the fact that "his women" have a healthy sexual appetite then NO!

But if it's a matter of correcting a deformity then yes. You men run to the doctor everytime any little stress in your life messes up your "flow" but we can't have something corrected if it is obstructing our pleasure? Get a life.

Why would he say no if she was messed up down there? That would just be cruel.

How does the priest know again if it's "messes up" down there? Wouldn't that be the area for a prefessional doctor to decide after full examination?

Why are you justifying a brutal practice as this?