After divorce, what can be done about....

[Bobby+Umit 161]

As stated on the I-864, the I-864 cannot be "revoked" or "changed" once it is submitted. Someone once asked whether now that they earnt enough money, if they could take the joint-sponsor off.. wasn't allowed.

Someone else married another foreigner and had to make sure to mention they had another I-864 sponsored person. Until the quarters have been worked, the person dies, gives up their greencard or becomes a USC you're responsible for them... which is why it sucks when USC's are lied to and taken advantage of.

It can be withdrawn, if it is requested prior to the case being adjudicated. After that (it's in play, abjudicated), the sponsor cannot "pull" it unless they use one of the four ways as listed above.

Yes but your spouse's quarters of work also count towards the immigrants 40 quarters. AND if you AND you spouse work it is counted as double time. So if I work 8 quarters while my husband does, that's 16 quarters. Here's a link: http://www.dshs.wa.g...estricFSP.shtml so yes it can be more but it can also be less. It tends to be less though.

It's up to the SSA if they will allow the use of the spouses qtr's to count. For example, in a case of divorce;

QQs of a Former Spouse

A former spouse's QQs cannot be credited if the marriage ended, unless by death, before a determination of alien eligibility is made for the LAPR alien.

EXAMPLE: An LAPR alien was married to a U.S. citizen for 12 years. The LAPR alien has no QQs of his/her own. The spouse earned over 40 QQs during their marriage. The marriage terminated by divorce 4 months before the determination of eligibility was made for the LAPR alien. No QQs can be credited from the former spouse in determining SSI eligibility.

There is a case posted here on this forum where the SSA refused to use them, so it's probably a case by case basis, depending on the specifics of that case. This is a better link, direct from the SSA.

I do not really know the finer points of the I864 with regards of him getting married to another USC. Its reasonable enough to assume that a new USC spouse would sign a new I864 voiding the old 864. But then again I864 are comes into picture during Adjustment, in this case adjustment of status is over and the 10 year green card approved. It would be helpful if someone can educate us about the I864 under such circumstances. Also what happens if the USC get married again...IS she responsible for 2 I864's then?

She would still be responsible for the beneficiary until that person meets one of the four criteria to remove it. If the beneficiary marries another USC, there will be no new 864 (since the person has a GC).

Now lets say the beneficiary still needs to AOS, and marries another USC, again, whoever sponsors the AOS would do the 864. Only one would be needed. If the first sponsor pulls the 864 (before it gets adjudicated), the new USC would have to do their own 864 for this AOS. (most likely they will pull it, if they are smart about it)

[besaangel 18]

It can be withdrawn, if it is requested prior to the case being adjudicated. After that (it's in play, abjudicated), the sponsor cannot "pull" it unless they use one of the four ways as listed above.

It's up to the SSA if they will allow the use of the spouses qtr's to count. For example, in a case of divorce;

There is a case posted here on this forum where the SSA refused to use them, so it's probably a case by case basis, depending on the specifics of that case. This is a better link, direct from the SSA.

She would still be responsible for the beneficiary until that person meets one of the four criteria to remove it. If the beneficiary marries another USC, there will be no new 864 (since the person has a GC).

Now lets say the beneficiary still needs to AOS, and marries another USC, again, whoever sponsors the AOS would do the 864. Only one would be needed. If the first sponsor pulls the 864 (before it gets adjudicated), the new USC would have to do their own 864 for this AOS. (most likely they will pull it, if they are smart about it)

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[VanessaTony 3,567]

It can be withdrawn, if it is requested prior to the case being adjudicated. After that (it's in play, abjudicated), the sponsor cannot "pull" it unless they use one of the four ways as listed above.

That's what I meant when I said submitted. It was meant to mean "accepted". I'm sorry you were confused.

It's up to the SSA if they will allow the use of the spouses qtr's to count. For example, in a case of divorce;

There is a case posted here on this forum where the SSA refused to use them, so it's probably a case by case basis, depending on the specifics of that case. This is a better link, direct from the SSA.

Also what was posted in the link I gave. I am well aware divorce cancels it out but I didn't have time to cut and paste EVERYTHING in the link. I was directly replying to someone elses post on it and not the OP's. If you see the quote i replied to, they said that 40 quarters tends to be 10 years or MORE, I provided proof of it being able to be less. Had i not posted the link to further explain my point I would understand your objection, but given I posted the link, and people have the ability to select that link and read the info themselves, I didn't feel I needed to spoon-feed every single piece of information on there. I was making a point that required further reading. Again, sorry you were confused.

**Edit - I have edited the posts you are referring to stop further confusion.

Edited March 23, 2010 by Vanessa&Tony

[Bobby+Umit 161]

That's what I meant when I said submitted. It was meant to mean "accepted". I'm sorry you were confused.

Also what was posted in the link I gave. I am well aware divorce cancels it out but I didn't have time to cut and paste EVERYTHING in the link. I was directly replying to someone elses post on it and not the OP's. If you see the quote i replied to, they said that 40 quarters tends to be 10 years or MORE, I provided proof of it being able to be less. Had i not posted the link to further explain my point I would understand your objection, but given I posted the link, and people have the ability to select that link and read the info themselves, I didn't feel I needed to spoon-feed every single piece of information on there. I was making a point that required further reading. Again, sorry you were confused.

**Edit - I have edited the posts you are referring to stop further confusion.

I'm sorry - but you appear to be the one confused here.

I corrected what you initially posted, I do not "assume" what you meant, I only go by what you posted. You stated "submitted" - which is incorrect, as I pointed out. You corrected it subsequently.

On the SSA item, I made note that the SSA makes the determination if they will accept QQ's, and divorce is one of the reasons that will not allow a spouses QQ's to be used. I was adding on to the information you posted.

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Dang, I might as well have adopted triplets for life or something. I still can't get it through his thick head that I should not have to put him through new job training. It is like reasoning with a brick wall. BTW, he is from MENA. I don't really want to say the country so as not to sully its reputation...lol

Thanks for all of your input!!

Does it start with an M and end with an O? The reason I am asking is that I have heard the rumors going round and round to try this "technique" But I am going to tell you again, US citizens like college students who find themselves hungry are getting 3 months then cut off. Its no easy feat to get on food stamps unless you have kids and a wife because if you are a single guy, fat chance. I am going to tell you again, you do not have to pay to retrain him nor do you have to worry about him. Stop talking to him, file for divorce with publication and send a letter to the USCIS that he is threatening you. My guess is that someone COACHED him into badgering you with this ####### and realistically, if you are still married to him at 3 years, he can apply for citizenship and as you all know EVERYONE wants a blue passport even if they have to marry their great grandmother to get it. I have a pretty good idea who you are and you dont fall into g ma catagory and I think he is just playing you. Dont fall for it. Stop talking to him. File for divorce with publication and stop talking to him. I know you still love him and its easy to let love make you feel stupid but the foodstamp office are no fools and no one is lining up to give him benefits that even US citizens cant easily get. Single people have a very hard time getting any kind of benefits and you have to just let this one emotionally go. You could tell him you will agree to stay married to him until he gets his citizenship but my guess is that this user will get that and then come after something else after he has that like a PAYOFF because you are just giving in and giving in. Change your phone number ,stop talking to him, file for abandonment and tell the judge you have been used for a greencard and then cc it to USCIS and the state department. Hes an idiot. PS. There must be a seminar into terrorising USC spouses because if I had a dollar for every antic like this that I have heard about, Id be rich. This is why the embassies are so tough because THEY HAVE TO BE

Be someone who deserves it sugar momma.Dont be a sugar momma to this moron. Trust me.

My daughters dad pulled this on a USC and terrorised the bejeebers out of her. Dont worry. It all comes out in the wash. Stop talking to him and file for divorce.

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Does it start with an M and end with an O? The reason I am asking is that I have heard the rumors going round and round to try this "technique" But I am going to tell you again, US citizens like college students who find themselves hungry are getting 3 months then cut off. Its no easy feat to get on food stamps unless you have kids and a wife because if you are a single guy, fat chance. I am going to tell you again, you do not have to pay to retrain him nor do you have to worry about him. Stop talking to him, file for divorce with publication and send a letter to the USCIS that he is threatening you. My guess is that someone COACHED him into badgering you with this ####### and realistically, if you are still married to him at 3 years, he can apply for citizenship and as you all know EVERYONE wants a blue passport even if they have to marry their great grandmother to get it. I have a pretty good idea who you are and you dont fall into g ma catagory and I think he is just playing you. Dont fall for it. Stop talking to him. File for divorce with publication and stop talking to him. I know you still love him and its easy to let love make you feel stupid but the foodstamp office are no fools and no one is lining up to give him benefits that even US citizens cant easily get. Single people have a very hard time getting any kind of benefits and you have to just let this one emotionally go. You could tell him you will agree to stay married to him until he gets his citizenship but my guess is that this user will get that and then come after something else after he has that like a PAYOFF because you are just giving in and giving in. Change your phone number ,stop talking to him, file for abandonment and tell the judge you have been used for a greencard and then cc it to USCIS and the state department. Hes an idiot. PS. There must be a seminar into terrorising USC spouses because if I had a dollar for every antic like this that I have heard about, Id be rich. This is why the embassies are so tough because THEY HAVE TO BE

Be someone who deserves it sugar momma.Dont be a sugar momma to this moron. Trust me.

My daughters dad pulled this on a USC and terrorised the bejeebers out of her. Dont worry. It all comes out in the wash. Stop talking to him and file for divorce.

Also to tell you , there are many nice people from every place. You just cannot take this personally. Just this morning I heard from another North African that one of them was eyeing up girls to marry so he can live and work here normally ( on a student visa) This is so completely culturally accepted that its just in casual conversation...AKA " I need to find an American to get married to." I asked this North African if he though that this did any horrific damage to the American. His reply was " You americans get married and divorced at a drop of a hat, who cares really?" This is not to say that there are not unbelievable love stories. But can you really say your husband ever really loved you if he is threatening to do things that endanger you? Or threatening your financial well being? I think its even more traumatising to the USC when they flew back and forth to meet the person, then paid their way here, then paid for immigration, all along the mena man or woman refusing to work, and then you get threatened on the way out. I know a girl who lost equity in her house from a mena guy and another who lost their house altogether. You need to realise you are not alone. You need to realise its not your fault and not to take any of this personally. You DO have to do things to astutely financially take care of yourself. There is an expression KEEP YOU BUSY back there which means give you lots of busy work to take you off the task you are trying to accomplish. You sound like you still love him because if you had enough, you would already be filed, filing protection orders and filing papers with USCIS who trust me would be glad to place things in his file. Just make a decision, dont worry about having to pay back stuff because he is just going to ask for something else and bend you over for something else after you fill whatever immediate need you have.

Tell him/ hey PROXO SCHMATA.. KAOUDI YA HIMAR and be done with this night mare

cheers sugar momma and dont worry too much

[3600rs 24]

Thanks BobbyUmit.

[Fandango 1,439]

I'm sorry, but I disagree morally with 3600rs advising to stay married...that's just so wrong.

[3600rs 24]

I'm sorry, but I disagree morally with 3600rs advising to stay married...that's just so wrong.

Dont be sorry, disagreement is common, by far banal. Well, then what do you agree on or any novel "morally strong and financial safe" suggestions to the posters problem?

[Fandango 1,439]

Dont be sorry, disagreement is common, by far banal. Well, then what do you agree on or any novel "morally strong and financial safe" suggestions to the posters problem?

Well, sometimes we just have to suck it up, basically. Advising someone to stay married purely for the purpose of circumventing the agreement she willingly entered into w the gov't so that she can essentially pawn this loser off on the rest of us is just wrong. Let alone, I'm sure the OP feels her happiness is worth more than that.

[3600rs 24]

Well, sometimes we just have to suck it up, basically.

What your saying is that a quick divorce will work in favor of the poster? Am I correct. Geez...you brought up a strong moral issue with your post..I thought you'd champion the poster to go for counselling and fix her marriage..thats more morally correct.

Advising someone to stay married purely for the purpose of circumventing the agreement she willingly entered into w the gov't so that she can essentially pawn this loser off on the rest of us is just wrong.

Its adhering to and not circumventing the agreement to remove the burdensome loser from the OP quickly. After citizenship everyone(you included) gets pawn off from the original I864 onto the rest of us. So the rest of us pay when you have an no health insurance, when you don't have work.....the list goes on. I hope I have clarified your own point for you.

Let alone, I'm sure the OP feels her happiness is worth more than that.

Her happiness and concerns are tied with the financial responsibility, you can read it in her first post.

[Fandango 1,439]

What your saying is that a quick divorce will work in favor of the poster? Am I correct. Geez...you brought up a strong moral issue with your post..I thought you'd champion the poster to go for counselling and fix her marriage..thats more morally correct.

Its adhering to and not circumventing the agreement to remove the burdensome loser from the OP quickly. After citizenship everyone(you included) gets pawn off from the original I864 onto the rest of us. So the rest of us pay when you have an no health insurance, when you don't have work.....the list goes on. I hope I have clarified your own point for you.

Her happiness and concerns are tied with the financial responsibility, you can read it in her first post.

In her previous topic, you can clearly see her anguish in being possibly 'duped' by a guy who is putting her thru hard emotional pains. Money comes and goes, but to have to live with someone like that is not worth all the money in the world, imo. Furthermore, what you're suggesting is that she remain his wife purely for her financial benefit...she is obviously in pain, he is at the very least emotionally abusive, and yet you suggest to her that she remain married to him on the off chance he decides to go for citizenship. So should she sleep with him too? After all, if we're talking financial benefit, that would certainly be in her benefit to have a 'happy' husband.

So yeah, I'm not one to tell people to stay in marriages based on a few posts. She says it's over, so it's over. What happens now is damage control, but imo, selling a few years of her life to this creep is not the answer imo.

Edited March 27, 2010 by Happy Bunny

[3600rs 24]

In her previous topic, you can clearly see her anguish in being possibly 'duped' by a guy who is putting her thru hard emotional pains. Money comes and goes, but to have to live with someone like that is not worth all the money in the world, imo.

Money does not come and go when recession looms over our heads and joblessness at our doorstep. "Duped"? You imply sham marriage...No, this is a legit marriage going sour because of laziness and other problems best known to the poster.

Furthermore, what you're suggesting is that she remain his wife purely for her financial benefit...she is obviously in pain, he is at the very least emotionally abusive, and yet you suggest to her that she remain married to him on the off chance he decides to go for citizenship. So should she sleep with him too? After all, if we're talking financial benefit, that would certainly be in her benefit to have a 'happy' husband.

You have a penchant for whining and continuously attacking an opinion presented to the poster mostly at the end. I respect your views, why dont you address your issue to the poster directly. That way the poster has a choice of well presented discussion. You have a valid point, but validity doesn't mean efficiency.

so yeah, I'm not one to tell people to stay in marriages based on a few posts. She says it's over, so it's over. What happens now is damage control, but imo, selling a few years of her life to this creep is not the answer imo.

Selling few years? Understand he is months away from citizenship, which he may never apply for, and still get a celebrity lawyer to sue her continuously for years. Use your head sometimes when your heart dominates.

[justashooter 430]

Understand he is months away from citizenship,

so them he can get some co-sponsors and apply for his "real wife"?

[3600rs 24]

so them he can get some co-sponsors and apply for his "real wife"?

Geez get a grip. Real wife? The OP has not admitted that she was the fake wife. As usual your habituated to shooting off target. Focus and shoot a solution to the posters problem on target. Dont look north and shoot south.