YEs or NO, will Health care pass? Post your prediction now!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Where?

Prisoners are entitled to adequate medical treatment. A prison official's refusal to provide medical care to a seriously ill inmate violates the Eighth Amendment's prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment (Estelle v. Gamble, 429 U.S. 97, 97 S. Ct. 285, 50 L. Ed. 2d 251 [1976]). In cases where the treatment is neither cruelly withheld nor intentionally mismanaged but is inept, prisoners can sue physicians in state courts for medical malpractice.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Jeez! Another "found" right in the Constitution.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Jeez! Another "found" right in the Constitution.

It even covers sex change operations for prisoners. Everybody gets better health care than the common working man.

[Ban Hammer 13,656]

So if your house is on fire, you don't call 911? If you have a heart attack, you're going to rely solely on your neighbor to resuscitate you? Do your neighbors charge you for this service?

you can call 911 in the event of a house fire, but you'd better go hook up the garden hose and get busy as it may be a while for them to get there.

if i have a heart attack, i'll just blame it on aj.

[mawilson 2,133]

Wait, I'm confused...

Didn't the Dems spend the last year telling us how bad the evil health insurance companies were? Didn't they change the name of this plan from "Healthcare Reform" to "Health Insurance Reform"? Now they're telling me that in 4 years I'm going to be required by law to to buy insurance from these evil companies?

Something else that's confusing me...

Didn't I hear someone say that the fine for not buying insurance is going to be around $700 per year? That works out to about $60 a month. Can anybody really get health insurance for only $60 a month, even with a government subsidy? Didn't I also hear someone say that the insurance companies won't be able to deny me coverage, even if I've got a pre-existing condition? Wouldn't it be cheaper just to pay the fine until I get sick, and then pay for the insurance until I'm well again?

Wait, I think I'm beginning to understand...

If the only people actually PAYING for health insurance are sick, then the insurance companies are going to be paying out a lot more than they're taking in. We'll punish those evil insurance companies by putting them out of business!

But wait... who will provide our health insurance after that? What sort of business can afford to operate in the red indefinitely without going out of business?

The government!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Not everyone. Your tax dollars pay for the elite health care and pensions of the same legislators who just jubilantly voted in health care mediocity in for their constituants. They refuse the "historic" reform they want for you, because they enjoy somthing far better at your expense. You're so lucky they work so hard for you!

Wrong.

"My proposal," Obama said today, "would give uninsured individuals and small-business owners the same kind of choice of private health insurance that members of Congress get for themselves." It's worth noting that this is more than a rhetorical flourish. It's Section 1312 of the bill:

(D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE—

(i) REQUIREMENT—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are—

(I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or

II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).

(ii) DEFINITIONS—In this section:

(I) MEMBER OF CONGRESS—The term ‘‘Member of Congress’’ means any member of the House of Representatives or the Senate.

(II) CONGRESSIONAL STAFF—The term ‘‘congressional staff’’ means all full-time and part-time employees employed by the official office of a Member of Congress, whether in Washington, DC or outside of Washington, DC.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Wrong.

That will be dropped and is already being ignored, although they have decided to apply it to their staffs.

You're pretty damned naive if you think Congress follows their own laws . . . Charlie Rangel, anyone? Tim Geithner, anyone?

Edited March 22, 2010 by Sofiyya