AR/AP processing times in EGYPT

[LaL 418]

So would it be accurate to say that a consular could put you on AR/AP because of red flags?

All I am saying is it is more appropriate to ask for further information/rfe or return the petition, vs using AR/AP to review red flags. At least I have not seen that used, but sheesh, we can only guess I suppose.

Please don't take it the wrong way, I am only asking. In my opinion, certain "red flags" can encourage them to put the case on AR/AP instead of 1. denying it without viable proof or 2. issueing a visa. You know the "get it off my desk" mentality? I mean I know for certain that the Consulars have to have an understand of the culture and traditions of the countries they work for. So maybe when they see something "unusual" in their P.O.V., it may just push them to do that.

Sorry, I know sometimes I write VERY flat, which may come across as *brisk* ... its not intentional, I am multitasking.

From what I have witnessed, anything is possible, but with the requirements for AR/AP, and all the other agencies involved, and the *triggers* needed to initiate a check, I would doubt something like an age difference would be included in your length of AR/AP. They have other much different avenues to utilize in those circumstances.

[jordanianprincess 0]

let me explain since Iam Egyptian and that was my case ...The Co wanted to make sure to see my family approval in my wedding JB it's not common at all for ME women to marry Americans " who are not from Egypt originally" My husband is a native American citizen so that's very rare in my culture and that's why I get chased with a lot of stares from people when Mark and I hang out..

Second I think My job has to do with approval to Iam a physican n and doctor get a good life in Egypt any way and they can easily travel around the world so that somehow excluded I married my husband for a visa! that's why I didn't get AR ..

for the AP I didn't get because Iam a female and as I said before it's very rare for women to marry western men because of cultue and women can't marry here without their family approval ...another reason that Egyptian men has very reputation of marrying American women for Visa ..everytime i went to the embassy for something I see Egytian young man marrying an American woman or American woman asking for help after her Egyptian husband has dumped her ..the Economy in Egypt is fallin apart so lots of Egyptian men do that to escape thier bad circumstaces..But of course not allof them is this way but Most are this way ...That's why MEn esp. FROM EGYPT will go through this...

Another reson I speak English very well that's why the CO was comfortable and smiling all the time becasue she can see I have no problem talking and communicating with her in English...

I am sorry for all those who Go through AP/AR I hope it will finish soon

Amy and Jean ..I am praying for you

Salwa:)

This is what I meant, when I said its more common for women to marry and come to the USA. Many men go back home to find a "bride" so the Consular is used to seeing women go through. I know your husband is not Egyption, but a woman coming to the USA is still more common than the other way around.

So would it be accurate to say that a consular could put you on AR/AP because of red flags?

All I am saying is it is more appropriate to ask for further information/rfe or return the petition, vs using AR/AP to review red flags. At least I have not seen that used, but sheesh, we can only guess I suppose.

Please don't take it the wrong way, I am only asking. In my opinion, certain "red flags" can encourage them to put the case on AR/AP instead of 1. denying it without viable proof or 2. issueing a visa. You know the "get it off my desk" mentality? I mean I know for certain that the Consulars have to have an understand of the culture and traditions of the countries they work for. So maybe when they see something "unusual" in their P.O.V., it may just push them to do that.

Sorry, I know sometimes I write VERY flat, which may come across as *brisk* ... its not intentional, I am multitasking.

From what I have witnessed, anything is possible, but with the requirements for AR/AP, and all the other agencies involved, and the *triggers* needed to initiate a check, I would doubt something like an age difference would be included in your length of AR/AP. They have other much different avenues to utilize in those circumstances.

I would tend to think that alot of undeserving people end of on AR/AP for reasons that can't be so easiely explained. I would agree that an age difference shouldn't make a difference in AP or AR but then from what I have seen people get handed that 221(g) paper faster than they can figure what hit them and sometimes without looking at proof. I think it would be a possibility that there is some profiling going on there regardless of what is written. And Salwa is abcoulutly right about the economy, its not good there and the fact that she has a good jod does make a difference.

[M+S 0]

Two years ago while I was in Egypt, a tourist bus was bombed by 2 FEMALE terrorists... muslim women with bombs under their dresses. This was infront of the Cairo museum. But I guess they forget that. They target only the men, and yes historically I suppose they have reason to do so. However I have read all the "rules and regulations" and such and such twaddle about how they have to view all equally. Well, we know the reality.

Jean yeah I know I heard that and that was horrible but those 2 females was wearing black like saudi Arabian women and I doubt they are highly educated ...so I don't look like neither of them .

and Jean I really don't feel sad or annoyed from your words My god If I was in your place I would feel really WORSE..so realy god be with you

Salwa didn't have very many red flags in her case. She is a woman (never married?), Full blown wedding with family pics, 3 visits, no big age difference, same religion, etc.

Yeah I have never married and my husband has the same job for 7 years and I am a doctor and speak fluent English

I do understand how differerent families in the middle east are. I'm divorced, the only red flag I really know of. Oh yea, I suppose kids are a red flag too. I can't forget that woman asked Khallid why'd he ever want to marry a women with 2 kids! (HAG) Khallids family could care less what religion I am or the fact that I've been married before and have 2 kids.

Amy My relatives and my uncle get annoyed when he knew that Mark was married before and My parents didn't tell them that Mark has a child he adopted with his ex-wife because they may gloat at us ..People thinkin here SUCK ,,

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[M+S 0]

Two years ago while I was in Egypt, a tourist bus was bombed by 2 FEMALE terrorists... muslim women with bombs under their dresses. This was infront of the Cairo museum. But I guess they forget that. They target only the men, and yes historically I suppose they have reason to do so. However I have read all the "rules and regulations" and such and such twaddle about how they have to view all equally. Well, we know the reality.

I forget to add that those kind of woman would never agree to marry a native american citizen or even any western men because they already hate western culture ..My friends all are very nice and not terrorist and no hate Us or Europe but they will ever marry any western man because marrying a man from thier home country means SECURITY..besdies communications is nto about langauge only it's about how the couple both of them see things

[JElsafty 0]

possibility that there is some profiling going on

Ya think? LOL I'm a nurse practioner working for 13 years and Wael is a physician working for 10 years. Wael speaks fluent english, french and of course arabic and I speak fluent spanish, french and I'm working on the arabic. If job status were the case, he should've received his visa months ago. Salwa, will you need to continue your education once in the states? We've researched and Wael will have to take about 2 years more of college to practice as a physican in the states.

What blows my mind about this whole thing is that when my ex was stalking me, harrassing me, beating me, the authorities would shake a finger at him. It wasn't till he tried to run me over with his car that the tried to "protect" me. Now I'm being told my government is "protecting" me? BS! Sorry, that is my thought for the day. My sons dying wish is to see papa Wael. Seems I am asking too much.

[M+S 0]

possibility that there is some profiling going on

Ya think? LOL I'm a nurse practioner working for 13 years and Wael is a physician working for 10

years. Wael speaks fluent english, french and of course arabic and I speak fluent spanish, french and I'm working on the arabic. If job status were the case, he should've received his visa months ago. Salwa, will you need to continue your education once in the states? We've researched and Wael will have to take about 2 years more of college to practice as a physican in the states.

I didn't say my Job is the reason it's one of the reasons ..I had lots of evidences with me ..that's why The intevriew was not that easy as I said she checked on every single evidence I had and never say ENOUGH .. she saw everything I swear..I also had like 150 photos of Mark and I together and 2 ablums with Egagemnt and wedding photos and honey moon photos and photos with my family

yes I have to study again in USA to be able to work as a doctor ..

Edited August 2, 2006 by M+S

[LaL 418]

I would tend to think that alot of undeserving people end of on AR/AP for reasons that can't be so easiely explained. I would agree that an age difference shouldn't make a difference in AP or AR but then from what I have seen people get handed that 221(g) paper faster than they can figure what hit them and sometimes without looking at proof. I think it would be a possibility that there is some profiling going on there regardless of what is written. And Salwa is abcoulutly right about the economy, its not good there and the fact that she has a good jod does make a difference.

Profiling is correct. Its part of their workflow. Just out of curiosity, who are the undeserving people who end up on AR/AP? Is it the same as underserving people who had their NOA2's revoked due to IMBRA?

[jordanianprincess 0]

Even with all that has been said, Its too hard to compare apples and oranges and be able to figure out why it happens sometimes and sometimes it doesnt.

From what I have seen and heard, there is no pattern, no given tell-tale signs, and in some cases you would have better luck betting in Vegas that to figure out the outcome.

I mean given that Salwa is a Dr., you would think that she would get a visitor visa quite easily as she has shown meaningful ties to her country. If you go by what the book says, she should have gotten the visitor visa.

I think it comes down to timing, mood, luck. In my case, for the last 5 weeks I have heard of people in Jordan getting their interview dates moved up and yet we have not recieved a call. I have no explanation as to why and you know what, to be honest, I am fine with the outcome. I think focusing on who got what and why just makes it harder for me.

All of our cases are so different sometime I wonder if I am here for the friendship or information....

[JElsafty 0]

possibility that there is some profiling going on

Ya think? LOL I'm a nurse practioner working for 13 years and Wael is a physician working for 10

years. Wael speaks fluent english, french and of course arabic and I speak fluent spanish, french and I'm working on the arabic. If job status were the case, he should've received his visa months ago. Salwa, will you need to continue your education once in the states? We've researched and Wael will have to take about 2 years more of college to practice as a physican in the states.

I didn't say my Job is the reason it's one of the reasons ..I had lots of evidences with me ..that's why The intevriew was not that easy as I said she checked on every single evidence I had and never say ENOUGH .. she saw everything I swear..I also had like 150 photos of Mark and I together and 2 ablums with Egagemnt and wedding photos and honey moon photos and photos with my family

yes I have to study again in USA to be able to work as a doctor ..

Never even asked for our evidence

[jordanianprincess 0]

I would tend to think that alot of undeserving people end of on AR/AP for reasons that can't be so easiely explained. I would agree that an age difference shouldn't make a difference in AP or AR but then from what I have seen people get handed that 221(g) paper faster than they can figure what hit them and sometimes without looking at proof. I think it would be a possibility that there is some profiling going on there regardless of what is written. And Salwa is abcoulutly right about the economy, its not good there and the fact that she has a good jod does make a difference.

Profiling is correct. Its part of their workflow. Just out of curiosity, who are the undeserving people who end up on AR/AP? Is it the same as underserving people who had their NOA2's revoked due to IMBRA?

IMBRA can't be compared to a 5 min interview which ends in a 221(g). What does even have to do with IMBRA?

There are many people that went to the embassy with all their proof which was never even looked at. That to me is undeserving. I don't think protocol is followed in all cases.

possibility that there is some profiling going on

Ya think? LOL I'm a nurse practioner working for 13 years and Wael is a physician working for 10

years. Wael speaks fluent english, french and of course arabic and I speak fluent spanish, french and I'm working on the arabic. If job status were the case, he should've received his visa months ago. Salwa, will you need to continue your education once in the states? We've researched and Wael will have to take about 2 years more of college to practice as a physican in the states.

I didn't say my Job is the reason it's one of the reasons ..I had lots of evidences with me ..that's why The intevriew was not that easy as I said she checked on every single evidence I had and never say ENOUGH .. she saw everything I swear..I also had like 150 photos of Mark and I together and 2 ablums with Egagemnt and wedding photos and honey moon photos and photos with my family

yes I have to study again in USA to be able to work as a doctor ..

Never even asked for our evidence

That is undeserving....

[M+S 0]

Never even asked for our evidence

Oh may be that's the mistake you made because she never did too in my interview but Iam the one who told her to see them ! and that's why she started to check on all of them she never asked fo any evidence untill i gave it to her..

Jb you are definetely RIGHt about my visitor visa because she denied me for no reason and i had the papers from my school and Minitry of forgein affairs signed to prove I must come back since by then i didn't graduate yet and i "must" have had come back to get my degree in Egypt other wise i will never be able to be a Doctor!!

Edited August 2, 2006 by M+S

[iceyspots 0]

Yes it seems like you have to force your evidence on the CO... brining little pictures and evidences out while telling the story and keep it coming.

[M+S 0]

Yes it seems like you have to force your evidence on the CO... brining little pictures and evidences out while telling the story and keep it coming.

exactly that's what i did ...because i read on VJ so many people go to the interview and never being asked for evidences and then get REF for evdiences!!! so I forced her to see all my evdiences

Edited August 2, 2006 by M+S

[LaL 418]

Never even asked for our evidence

That is undeserving....

At face value I would have to disagree. I don't know the details around the interview, so maybe I am speaking out of turn, BUT if the beneficiary is from the T26 country and is male between the ages of 18 - 45 he is subject to AR.

Now if we are talking about a returned petition without the acceptance of evidence, THAT is a major problem, and we have been seeing it in consuls such as Casa.

Again, I don't know the specifics, but sounds like typical AR, no?

[jordanianprincess 0]

Yes it seems like you have to force your evidence on the CO... brining little pictures and evidences out while telling the story and keep it coming.

I think there is alot of truth to this, add in the fact of being nervous, maybe not speaking english so well, and yes it becomes an issue

Also I dont think many go in there with the expectation that they are going to run the interview.

At face value I would have to disagree. I don't know the details around the interview, so maybe I am speaking out of turn, BUT if the beneficiary is from the T26 country and is male between the ages of 18 - 45 he is subject to AR.

Now if we are talking about a returned petition without the acceptance of evidence, THAT is a major problem, and we have been seeing it in consuls such as Casa.

Again, I don't know the specifics, but sounds like typical AR, no?

Key word is being "subject", but not everyone gets it. There are no patterns that can be followed