truth about qana

[PlatyPius 5]

There are certainly double standards being applied here - from many of the posts on VJ it seems the only 'valid' opinion is either to be on the side of Israel and against the entire middle eastern and islamic world.

I agree. There is a degree of racialism being put about.

Anyone who was interested in a real debate, would respect its participants. Posting links to racially offensive websites says a lot more about the person posting them than it does about the point they're trying to make.

Gee, my bad again. I guess I can't post a link to a website I found on Google and ask opinions about it, either. Ok, so I'll just take everything Bosco posts as gospel and go through life believing that. Does that make everyone happy? Will that stop people from thinking that I'm a racist because I posted a damn link to something I wanted an opinion on?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There are certainly double standards being applied here - from many of the posts on VJ it seems the only 'valid' opinion is either to be on the side of Israel and against the entire middle eastern and islamic world.

I agree. There is a degree of racialism being put about.

Anyone who was interested in a real debate, would respect its participants. Posting links to racially offensive websites says a lot more about the person posting them than it does about the point they're trying to make.

Gee, my bad again. I guess I can't post a link to a website I found on Google and ask opinions about it, either. Ok, so I'll just take everything Bosco posts as gospel and go through life believing that. Does that make everyone happy? Will that stop people from thinking that I'm a racist because I posted a damn link to something I wanted an opinion on?

No - just an element of consideration before you post things like that. That's not really unreasonable...

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

i see censorship is alive and well in vj

[rclouse 0]

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/188571.php

Thoughts?

I'm pretty sure a website whose tagline is "Because liberalism is a persistent vegetative state" won't exactly be a bastion of objectivity.

This is more interesting: ESM: Uncomfortable Questions

When Israelis kill Arab citizens, it's a huge crime. When Arabs kill Israeli citizens, it's a "great victory". IMHO, THAT is what needs to change in the Arab/Muslim world. Anytime a civilian dies regardless of their religion or political views, it's a tragedy. The Arab/Muslim world won't get the respect of the west until this attitude changes.

[Bosco 1]

When Israelis kill Arab citizens, it's a huge crime. When Arabs kill Israeli citizens, it's a "great victory". IMHO, THAT is what needs to change in the Arab/Muslim world. Anytime a civilian dies regardless of their religion or political views, it's a tragedy. The Arab/Muslim world won't get the respect of the west until this attitude changes.

I agree. However, I think Arab deaths are not a crime to the rest of the world, only to the Arabs. I think Americans (generally speaking) react more strongly to the deaths of Israeli citizens. This is demonstrated by the overreporting of Isreali deaths and underreporting of Palestinian deaths which has been documented in media reports. There was the "suicide bus" that was an exhibit in Washington DC (and made other stops). It is hard to bring an equally heart-wrenching exhibit of what happens to Palestinians daily. The bus is a very graphic symbol and with nothing to counter it, it fuels a mentality that Palestinians need to be cordoned off, treated heavy handedly. I think the media is largely to blame for the bias (that I perceive) many Americans hold towards that region.

I think each country values their own deaths more. Most Americans feel more upset about the death of a US soldier than an Iraqi civilian. With that said, I absolutely agree with you that Arabs have to stop looking at the deaths of Israelis as victories and realize all death is tragic, as you said.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

i see censorship is alive and well in vj

No it would be censorship if the VJ administration were to ban and delete all "anti-arab/muslim postings".

Simply asking people to be honest with themselves and use a bit of consideration for other members in terms of what they post is not censorship - its simple fairness.

You or I could post a bunch of links to nazi anti-semite websites, but I choose not to.

Just seems to me we tolerate certain forms of racism/racialism are acceptable, but not others. As I said - there are some serious double-standards being applied here.

[Jenn! 918]

I think Americans (generally speaking) react more strongly to the deaths of Israeli citizens. This is demonstrated by the overreporting of Isreali deaths and underreporting of Palestinian deaths which has been documented in media reports.

I find it so interesting that each "side" thinks that the media bias is towards the other. I wonder why this is.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

July 31, 2006: Is Qana another Jenin?

I'm not prepared to say so yet, but if it is, the mainstream media will have disgraced itself beyond words. At the best, they were so initially unquestioning about this event as to have shown themselves to be both incompetent as journalists and contemptibly biased as human beings. Meanwhile, this article from Ynet News is worthing noting. It details a report from a Lebanese Website called LIBANOSCOPIE.

The Lebanese website LIBANOSCOPIE , associated with Christian elements in the country and which openly supports the anti-Syrian movement called the "March 14 Forces," reported that Hizbullah has masterminded a plan that would result in the killing of innocents in the Qana village, in a bid to foil Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora's "Seven Points Plan", which calls for deployment of the Lebanese army in southern Lebanon and the disarming of Hizbullah.

"We have it from a credible source that Hizbullah, alarmed by Siniora's plan, has concocted an incident that would help thwart the negotiations.

Knowing full well that Israel will not hesitate to bombard civilian targets, Hizbullah gunmen placed a rocket launcher on the roof in Qana and brought disabled children inside, in a bid to provoke a response by the Israeli Air Force. In this way, they were planning to take advantage of the death of innocents and curtail the negotiation initiative," the site stated.

site

original story link in french

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think Americans (generally speaking) react more strongly to the deaths of Israeli citizens. This is demonstrated by the overreporting of Isreali deaths and underreporting of Palestinian deaths which has been documented in media reports.

I find it so interesting that each "side" thinks that the media bias is towards the other. I wonder why this is.

The US media is very definitely 'pro-israel'. European media has a slant the other way, but its not 'pro-terrorist' by any means.

[Jenn! 918]

I think Americans (generally speaking) react more strongly to the deaths of Israeli citizens. This is demonstrated by the overreporting of Isreali deaths and underreporting of Palestinian deaths which has been documented in media reports.

I find it so interesting that each "side" thinks that the media bias is towards the other. I wonder why this is.

The US media is very definitely 'pro-israel'. European media has a slant the other way, but its not 'pro-terrorist' by any means.

I, personally, would agree with you. But I've seen several posts and heard alot on my talk radio channel that would suggest that the U.S. media is 'anti-Israel'. I just don't see how that argument came to be.

[Bosco 1]

I think Americans (generally speaking) react more strongly to the deaths of Israeli citizens. This is demonstrated by the overreporting of Isreali deaths and underreporting of Palestinian deaths which has been documented in media reports.

I find it so interesting that each "side" thinks that the media bias is towards the other. I wonder why this is.

Jenn,

I have posted links where studies have been done analyzing the reporting by several of the US mainstream media sources.

Israeli deaths have been overreported. Palestinian deaths underreported. Israeli deaths make headlines, Palestinians less often.

One excerpt from the many media reports that were issued:

In 2004, there were 159 reports in New York Times headlines or first paragraphs on Israeli deaths. During this time, there had actually been 107 Israelis killed (the discrepancy is due to the fact that a number of Israeli deaths were reported multiple times).

During the same one-year period, 334 Palestinian deaths were reported in headlines or first paragraphs, while 818 Palestinians had actually been killed.

This is consistently the case, with CBS, ABC, CNN, AP, newspapers, etc. I don't consider this thinking bias exist but proof of its existence. You can check out the media report cards for other examples and will find a consistent pattern media report cards

Rebecca

[mawilson 2,133]

Idiot? No.

Racist? Kinda funny, really, if you knew me.

Dumb? Sometimes.

Off Topic? Always.

Cian, you da man.

[Jenn! 918]

I think Americans (generally speaking) react more strongly to the deaths of Israeli citizens. This is demonstrated by the overreporting of Isreali deaths and underreporting of Palestinian deaths which has been documented in media reports.

I find it so interesting that each "side" thinks that the media bias is towards the other. I wonder why this is.

Jenn,

I have posted links where studies have been done analyzing the reporting by several of the US mainstream media sources.

Israeli deaths have been overreported. Palestinian deaths underreported. Israeli deaths make headlines, Palestinians less often.

One excerpt from the many media reports that were issued:

In 2004, there were 159 reports in New York Times headlines or first paragraphs on Israeli deaths. During this time, there had actually been 107 Israelis killed (the discrepancy is due to the fact that a number of Israeli deaths were reported multiple times).

During the same one-year period, 334 Palestinian deaths were reported in headlines or first paragraphs, while 818 Palestinians had actually been killed.

This is consistently the case, with CBS, ABC, CNN, AP, newspapers, etc. I don't consider this thinking bias exist but proof of its existence. You can check out the media report cards for other examples and will find a consistent pattern media report cards

Rebecca

Thanks, Rebecca. I'm looking forward to reading that link. So what is the basis of the argument that the U.S. media is anti-Israel? Is it the media's claim that Israel is using disproportionate force?

(although I suppose I'm asking the wrong people, huh? )

Edited August 2, 2006 by jenn3539

[Bosco 1]

Thanks, Rebecca. I'm looking forward to reading that link. So what is the basis of the argument that the U.S. media is anti-Israel? Is it the media's claim that Israel is using disproportionate force?

I don't know the basis for the argument because it seems detached from the facts. It would be interesting to see a solid argument offered up.

[lostinlove228 0]

July 31, 2006: Is Qana another Jenin?

I'm not prepared to say so yet, but if it is, the mainstream media will have disgraced itself beyond words. At the best, they were so initially unquestioning about this event as to have shown themselves to be both incompetent as journalists and contemptibly biased as human beings. Meanwhile, this article from Ynet News is worthing noting. It details a report from a Lebanese Website called LIBANOSCOPIE.

The Lebanese website LIBANOSCOPIE , associated with Christian elements in the country and which openly supports the anti-Syrian movement called the "March 14 Forces," reported that Hizbullah has masterminded a plan that would result in the killing of innocents in the Qana village, in a bid to foil Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora's "Seven Points Plan", which calls for deployment of the Lebanese army in southern Lebanon and the disarming of Hizbullah.

"We have it from a credible source that Hizbullah, alarmed by Siniora's plan, has concocted an incident that would help thwart the negotiations.

Knowing full well that Israel will not hesitate to bombard civilian targets, Hizbullah gunmen placed a rocket launcher on the roof in Qana and brought disabled children inside, in a bid to provoke a response by the Israeli Air Force. In this way, they were planning to take advantage of the death of innocents and curtail the negotiation initiative," the site stated.

site

original story link in french

So what happened to the rockets. Wouldn't there be some sort of proof left. There is not proof that Hezballah was ever there. This article that hezballah concuted this whole thing is absolutly stupid. It is ridiculous and prejiduce. Did Hezballah put those 100 people in the building 10 years ago in Qana too. Did hezballah place those 4 UN people that where murdered in that post also. Qana basically was an intentional masacare by Isreal because they did not want to cease fire yet. They figured that this will cause a delay in the stop and it will not look like they are in agreement with a reasonable treaty.