Here is a reason to own a gun

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You can use a seatbelt as a weapon and you can use a gun to save your life. Spin it however I may, it still requires a human to make choices and decisions and take action to effect some kind of action onto these inanimate mechanical objects.

Is a gun bad because it was designed specifically to kill people and a seatbelt good because it was designed specifically to save people? Do mechanical devices now have "animate" qualities?

More semantics

If you want to go in that direction and dispense with the idea that certain things are a destabilizing influence on society then we might as well allow people to own and carry hand grenades or nitro glycerine.

So it has nothing to do with the actual number of inanimate mechanical devices originally designed to kill people? You mean to tell me it has more to do with people themselves and the decisions they make?

Slow down here, you almost sound like you're getting ready to say people should be responsible for their own actions and not blame them on inanimate mechanical devices!

I never said anywhere that guns are the sole reason. I said I believe that the widespread proliferation of guns in US society is "a factor".

[CDAgirlMI 51]

Take her to the range! Show her how a biometric safe works. Show her how it's completely impossible for a gun to fire without bullets! She's got to be smart (she married you, right?) enough to understand that it's not unsafe, she just needs to be shown.

One of the huge misconceptions about firearms in the home is "it's just not safe." Well, that's just not true. Often times the folks making that assumption have never even fired a gun, don't understand their operation, and base their opinions only on what they've seen on TV or read in a newspaper.

Make them understand!

True. Or, take a firearms class. Have someone show you how to prove/make a gun safe. A gun is just a tool like anything else, when you really think about it. People make it shoot ammo. An unloaded gun is just a piece of metal(or plastc if you've got a Glock!).

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

True. Or, take a firearms class. Have someone show you how to prove/make a gun safe. A gun is just a tool like anything else, when you really think about it. People make it shoot ammo. An unloaded gun is just a piece of metal(or plastc if you've got a Glock!).

No, it isn't. It's a weapon - it is functionally and specifically designed to injure/kill living things. Whatever you or anyone else might use it for, doesn't change the fundamental essence of what it is.

[Peikko 1,575]

This continuous attempt to trivialize what guns are is pathetic and makes one wonder.

Meanwhile, unless you enjoy shooting guns, you really should not own one, it's that simple. As to taking care of the what if scenarios, I take as many precautions as is reasonable and sensible and some of my hobbies/skills could prove useful should I ever be in an emergency situation.

[Ban Hammer 13,408]

This continuous attempt to trivialize what guns are is pathetic and makes one wonder.

Meanwhile, unless you enjoy shooting guns, you really should not own one, it's that simple. As to taking care of the what if scenarios, I take as many precautions as is reasonable and sensible and some of my hobbies/skills could prove useful should I ever be in an emergency situation.

[Peikko 1,575]

Right, because apart from enjoying shooting them, or using them for their intended purpose in hunting etc, there's a point to owning one? Enjoy peddling the ######, but I am not buying.

You know perfectly well that the armed services do not trivialize what guns are, nor how they should be properly handled and stored and yet you go along with the 'guns are just a little tool' arguments. You make me laugh.

[Ban Hammer 13,408]

Right, because apart from enjoying shooting them, or using them for their intended purpose in hunting etc, there's a point to owning one? Enjoy peddling the ######, but I am not buying.

You know perfectly well that the armed services do not trivialize what guns are, nor how they should be properly handled and stored and yet you go along with the 'guns are just a little tool' arguments. You make me laugh.

unlike you, i can speak from experience from owning a gun

when i got my first gun, i didn't enjoy shooting it as it kicked like a mule

the armed services has zero to do with this topic, btw. i'll send you the memo.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Cartoon pictures of bulls taking a ####### have zero to do with the topic either, but who's counting

Edited March 21, 2010 by Its a MADHOUSE

[Peikko 1,575]

Some of you gun nuts have some piss poor reasoning skills, and now you want me to believe that you own them but don't actually like shooting? Yeah, pull the other one, it's got bells on.

If professional services that require guns to perform their duties don't trivialize guns or gun use, then what right have amateurs to do so?

[Peikko 1,575]

Unless you enjoy shooting, you are simply not going to practice shooting with enough regularity to be able to use a gun to useful effect, same with any skill, use it or lose it and a person who can't shoot straight is a piss poor person to own a gun, not to mention being entirely useless in an emergency.

Edited March 21, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[Ban Hammer 13,408]

Unless you enjoy shooting, you are simply not going to practice shooting with enough regularity to be able to use a gun to useful effect, same with any skill, use it or lose it and a person who can't shoot straight is a piss poor person to own a gun, not to mention being entirely useless in an emergency.

so much for those reasoning skills of yours.... as stated earlier, i got my first gun when i was 10 - didn't like shooting it as it kicked a lot. and no, i didn't enjoy shooting it when i first got it, but as i grew bigger i adapted.

one does not need to shoot a gun to retain proficiency. i didn't shoot skeet for about a decade, and went out and shot 23 out of 25 with a .410 in 2002. i also knocked down 3 out of 3 dove in 2002 also, and hadn't been hunting in about a decade.

so much for retaining proficiency

[justashooter 430]

Unless you enjoy shooting, you are simply not going to practice shooting with enough regularity to be able to use a gun to useful effect, same with any skill, use it or lose it and a person who can't shoot straight is a piss poor person to own a gun, not to mention being entirely useless in an emergency.

bullcrap. i can teach a barefoot how to use a revolver at 7 paces for self defense in 10 minutes, and he will be able to use it 50 years from now with the ammo he puts in it today if he keeps it in the bedroom drawer.

can you still ride a bicycle, or did you forget that, too?

[Ban Hammer 13,408]

Cartoon pictures of bulls taking a ####### have zero to do with the topic either, but who's counting

it does tend to remind me of what a few posters in here are passing out as fact, when in reality it's nothing more than their slanted opinion.

can you still ride a bicycle, or did you forget that, too?

but but that's different, it's not a weapon!

Edited March 21, 2010 by charles!

[justashooter 430]

Just because it has been interpreted as a constitutional right to achieve a purpose, does not mean for one minute that it would or could work to that end. It is in fact one of the silliest fallacy I know of. You imagine in your deluded state that UK citizens have no civil liberties, that is laughable too. Civil liberties are guaranteed by maintaining the electoral process and making sure as many citizens as possible engage in the process and not just on election day not by a random selection of nutters with guns.

sore loser.

the right to keep and bear a firearm is how America came into being. teh American Revolution was fought largely with privately owned firearms, and things turned out just grand.

so UK citizens have a right to vote? so do chinese. in both countries spending enough bux will get you the right to keep a firearm. hell, i had one in Luoyang, and know a bunch of people who do. prolly more private firearms in communist china than in UK. but any way you slice it, there are more in America than in the entire balance of other countries. enough said.

[CDAgirlMI 51]

The people who don't have guns or have never shot guns cannot made ANY arguments on shooting.