Here is a reason to own a gun

[one...two...tree 2,762]

That's what combat flashlights are for.

That still leaves you having to point it rather accurately on to the perpetrator's face in order to identify before you shoot. If the perpetrator is also armed and intends on killing you, you've just given away your location by turning on the flashlight.

[justashooter 430]

steven, have you tried shooting at anything in the dark? it takes lots of practice to be able to even hit something that presents an outline in the dark, in total darkness you're liable to hit everything but the target.

depends on your gear. i have a kommando that will run a controllable spray pattern if operated correctly. 30 rounds in a horizontal line in less than 2.5 seconds will give me a very high hit probablility.

[Peikko 1,575]

british criminals are classier, they'll rob you with respect.

I doubt it, in my opinion I was robbed by punk youths, based on the profile of most of the idiots that carried out these types of crimes in the area I lived in. In America, these punk youths would have guns, in the UK, they might have a knife but not necessarily, a lot of crime is carried out by totally unarmed people partly because they know they will not encounter homeowners with guns. The police in the UK are not routinely armed, and they manage to arrest people just fine.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

the comment to which i replied did not mention "bounty hunters". it had do deal with innocents being shot in their own homes by police.

are you now changing that post?

Perhaps you need to use more than one word and a couple of smileys...

[Peikko 1,575]

the comment to which i replied did not mention "bounty hunters". it had do deal with innocents being shot in their own homes by police.

are you now changing that post?

Police? Nothing in my post suggested that I was talking about the police. Mind you, in the UK you would not be shot by the police accidentally entering your home - they are mostly unarmed.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

depends on your gear. i have a kommando that will run a controllable spray pattern if operated correctly. 30 rounds in a horizontal line in less than 2.5 seconds will give me a very high hit probablility.

Really? Perhaps you better toss in a few hand grenades too. You have to be sure...

I think most people (if they had to) would rather shoot the right target, rather than everything in the room.

[natty bumppo 297]

Police? Nothing in my post suggested that I was talking about the police. Mind you, in the UK you would not be shot by the police accidentally entering your home - they are mostly unarmed.

a bounty hunter captures fugitives for a monetary reward (bounty). they are not in pursuit of justice.

[Peikko 1,575]

a bounty hunter captures fugitives for a monetary reward (bounty). they are not in pursuit of justice.

Do you have something to say? Spit it out already or shut up.

Really? Perhaps you better toss in a few hand grenades too. You have to be sure...

I think most people (if they had to) would rather shoot the right target, rather than everything in the room.

I think I'm going to get my hands on some biological agents. That way, even if I am killed, I can still serve justice on my attacker mwah, mwah, mwah!

[justashooter 430]

If it really is a perpetrator with a gun and intent to kill you in the dark, who's going to get the first shot off if you need time to identify the target?

this is why most prudent homeowner/shooters take time to examine their home structure before the need arises, and set up safety zones and a series of security layers and boundaries. a wise person will set up a driveway chime activated by a motion sensor (assuming a long drive), automatic outdoor lighting operated by motion sensors, and audible alarms operated by door opening sensors, motion detectors in various zones of the house, etc. a family dog is also a great "layer" in your defense system, and provides an audible alarm that is not electricity dependent.

most wise homeowner/shooters will also leave some lights on in different rooms in which a confrontation will take place (my year round christmas tree, for instance). wise people will consider their home in determining a "choke point" that seperates family from potential intruders, and allows a zero risk kill zone. the top of the stairs in a two story house is a good choke point.

a light on in the room at the base of the stairs removes all doubt as to the identity of an intruder or family member attempting to climb the stairs. the light should not be at the foot of the stairs, so that a shooter lying on the floor at the top of stairs remains in shadow, and presents a very small target. this position will also meet the "retreat" requirement still in effect in regard to self defense under many state laws that do not yet have castle doctrine.

[CDAgirlMI 51]

this is why most prudent homeowner/shooters take time to examine their home structure before the need arises, and set up safety zones and a series of security layers and boundaries. a wise person will set up a driveway chime activated by a motion sensor (assuming a long drive), automatic outdoor lighting operated by motion sensors, and audible alarms operated by door opening sensors, motion detectors in various zones of the house, etc. a family dog is also a great "layer" in your defense system, and provides an audible alarm that is not electricity dependent.

most wise homeowner/shooters will also leave some lights on in different rooms in which a confrontation will take place (my year round christmas tree, for instance). wise people will consider their home in determining a "choke point" that seperates family from potential intruders, and allows a zero risk kill zone. the top of the stairs in a two story house is a good choke point.

a light on in the room at the base of the stairs removes all doubt as to the identity of an intruder or family member attempting to climb the stairs. the light should not be at the foot of the stairs, so that a shooter lying on the floor at the top of stairs remains in shadow, and presents a very small target. this position will also meet the "retreat" requirement still in effect in regard to self defense under many state laws that do not yet have castle doctrine.

I agree. Taking measures to secure your home as much as possible is a good deterrent to get criminals to go to your next door neighbour, who might not be prepared. The outside of the home is the first line of defense againt home invasions.

[natty bumppo 297]

Do you have something to say? Spit it out already or shut up.

what ... you got confused with your terms?

that's okay .... just remember a bounty hunter is trying to collect money for the capture of a person. if there was not a "monetary reward" i suspect these bounty hunters would find a different method of earning money.

btw:

bounty hunters are also legal in the Republic of the Philippines as per findings of a google search.

i invite anyone with more knowledge of the PI to correct the search data if this information is incorrect.

[justashooter 430]

Silly question. A better question would be if both justashooter and someone else agreed to fight to the death by handgun, who you think will win? I'd say whoever has the element of surprise will have the upper hand, and since justashooter always identifies his target before firing, if the other person is less discriminant, they would have the upper hand.

lack of knowledge, again.

85% of people hit with handgun caliber fire survive. most are not severly incapacitated.

severe incapacitation requires a hit to central nervous system or a critical organ, such as brain, liver, kidney, heart, spleen, or a hit to a major artery. making a hit like this is not luck, it is calculated probability. probability is improved with knowledge of anatomy and clear visual perception of the target. probability is also increased by mindset, number of shots fired, and to a very small degree the caliber of weapon chosen.

your fed.gov is not unfounded in choosing the beretta design in 9X19 for a service weapon. the cartridge it shoots provides enough power to do the required damage with hardball, the design provides a surplus of rounds to be fired, and it is also ergonomically designed to be controllable in rapid fire. it is a natural pointer, and is reliable in service. any similar gun is suitable for self defense. sure, i usually select a 45 in a 1911 pattern, but i have several beretta 92FS and a few SIG P226 somewhere around here...

[Peikko 1,575]

what ... you got confused with your terms?

that's okay .... just remember a bounty hunter is trying to collect money for the capture of a person. if there was not a "monetary reward" i suspect these bounty hunters would find a different method of earning money.

btw:

bounty hunters are also legal in the Republic of the Philippines as per findings of a google search.

i invite anyone with more knowledge of the PI to correct the search data if this information is incorrect.

I'd say that was a no then. Go fishing somewhere else.

[natty bumppo 297]

I'd say that was a no then. Go fishing somewhere else.

sorry you feel a little defensive because of a mix-up in terms that was brought to your attention.

a bounty hunter (bail enforcement agent, fugitive recovery agent, and bail fugitive investigator) works for a bail bondsman ... this is not a"pursuit of justice" profession. it's all about $$$...

note: in TX, a peace officer can also be bounty hunter (nothing like profiting from your day job )

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I agree. Taking measures to secure your home as much as possible is a good deterrent to get criminals to go to your next door neighbour, who might not be prepared. The outside of the home is the first line of defense againt home invasions.

Which is what I've been saying all along - that there are measures a homeowner can take to defend themselves from intruders which are more effective than owning a gun. They are the first lines of defense, while a gun would be the last line of defense.