Hebrew Charter School - legitimate use of taxpayer money?

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I'd like to see someone try and get shot down by the state and then challenge the state in the courts. Not sure how it could be justified to approve one but not the other. That might be the only way to stuff that genie back into the bottle.

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A valid point. There is no need to aggravate anti-semitic sentiments by further creating animosity between the the two groups by isolating them.

Um, I'm not going to get into the little debate you're all having about charter schools. That issue is about public funding of schools which have an, ahem, "agenda". Have at it, boys, I don't have a strong opinion on the subject.

However - this question of isolating groups and anti-semitism, there I do have something to add. If a school is fully private - do you still have this objection? Jewish communities throughout America have always organized and run their own private schools to teach the next generation the precepts of our faith, history, practices, language. How else would you expect Jews to remain a cohesive community if they did not have such schools? Jewish private schools are as essential to a vibrant Jewish community as are synagogues, burial societies, and kosher butchers.

Antisemitism exists because the haters do what they do - hate.

Jewish schools and institutions exist because we do what we do- cherish and grow our communities.

Blaming separate schooling for the hatred is like blaming the victim for "causing" the crime.

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Jewish communities throughout America have always organized and run their own private schools to teach the next generation the precepts of our faith, history, practices, language.

I have no problem with private schools doing this. If Jewish parents wish to self-segregate with their own funds, that is their choice. I don't see segregation as a valid goal for the use of taxpayer money. That's all.

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I have no problem with private schools doing this. If Jewish parents wish to self-segregate with their own funds, that is their choice. I don't see segregation as a valid goal for the use of taxpayer money. That's all.

That's reasonable, and I tend to agree with you.

However, how would you categorize "special" schools, like those which emphasize music or the arts? What about those that emphasize back-to-basics math and science curricula? They appeal to only a certain 'type' of student and are inherently segregating, are they not? If I'm not mistaken, such schools make up the vast majority of the charter schools in the US.

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Um, I'm not going to get into the little debate you're all having about charter schools. That issue is about public funding of schools which have an, ahem, "agenda". Have at it, boys, I don't have a strong opinion on the subject.

However - this question of isolating groups and anti-semitism, there I do have something to add. If a school is fully private - do you still have this objection? Jewish communities throughout America have always organized and run their own private schools to teach the next generation the precepts of our faith, history, practices, language. How else would you expect Jews to remain a cohesive community if they did not have such schools? Jewish private schools are as essential to a vibrant Jewish community as are synagogues, burial societies, and kosher butchers.

Antisemitism exists because the haters do what they do - hate.

Jewish schools and institutions exist because we do what we do- cherish and grow our communities.

Blaming separate schooling for the hatred is like blaming the victim for "causing" the crime.

I thought the argument was that hatred comes from ignorance. The theory suggests that close association would eventually make the differences seem indistinguishable and negligible. At least in the military, they handle racial and ethnic tension, and homophobia, by making the recruits live and work in intimate proximity.

So, I guess all that integration in the 1960's that so many risked (and lost) their lives for was to no avail?

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That's reasonable, and I tend to agree with you.

However, how would you categorize "special" schools, like those which emphasize music or the arts? What about those that emphasize back-to-basics math and science curricula? They appeal to only a certain 'type' of student and are inherently segregating, are they not? If I'm not mistaken, such schools make up the vast majority of the charter schools in the US.

There is a history in this country of bad things being associated with racial and religious segregation. No such history exists of skill-based segregation.

Perhaps one day the jocks will get their wish and the nerd massacre they've always dreamed of shall come to fruition. When that day arrives, I will worry about nerds integrating with the jock population. Until then, I'd like to see Jewish nerds and Chinese nerds working on lab projects together.

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I thought the argument was that hatred comes from ignorance. The theory suggests that close association would eventually make the differences seem indistinguishable and negligible. At least in the military, they handle racial and ethnic tension, and homophobia, by making the recruits live and work in intimate proximity.

So, I guess all that integration in the 1960's that so many risked (and lost) their lives for was to no avail?

There are many theories about the roots of hatred and bigotry. No doubt, a key factor is ignorance of the community being hated. It's much easier to hate a faceless group when you have no personal contact with the individuals.

However, to suggest that merely putting people in close proximity will overcome that ignorance and prejudice is simplistic.

Jews have learned the hard way over the centuries that simply being amongst the gentiles and attempting to blend in, is not enough to overcome hate. Pogroms happened in the most civilized and assimilated communities of Eastern and Central Europe. Germany had no shortage of prominent Jewish role models, leaders of secular society during the Weimar years, yet it was all for naught when Hitler rose and the masses turned to his brand of rabid hatred.

We see it in American society too - Japanese interns during WWII, attitudes towards Arab Americans today.

I'm not pretending to understand the root causes of hatred or how to overcome it. I'm just saying that enrolling your kids in public school is not sufficient.

Until then, I'd like to see Jewish nerds and Chinese nerds working on lab projects together.

Especially if I get to be the Jewish nerd, and the Chinese nerd is a hot Asian chick with tight sweaters, short skirts and horn rimmed glasses. I love Asian chicks. I love 'em so much I married one.

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Um, I'm not going to get into the little debate you're all having about charter schools. That issue is about public funding of schools which have an, ahem, "agenda". Have at it, boys, I don't have a strong opinion on the subject.

However - this question of isolating groups and anti-semitism, there I do have something to add. If a school is fully private - do you still have this objection? Jewish communities throughout America have always organized and run their own private schools to teach the next generation the precepts of our faith, history, practices, language. How else would you expect Jews to remain a cohesive community if they did not have such schools? Jewish private schools are as essential to a vibrant Jewish community as are synagogues, burial societies, and kosher butchers.

Antisemitism exists because the haters do what they do - hate.

Jewish schools and institutions exist because we do what we do- cherish and grow our communities.

Blaming separate schooling for the hatred is like blaming the victim for "causing" the crime.

I doubt many people would object to "private schools" and their segregated atmosphere.

I am inclined to believe -self segregation is more the wave of the future, than of the past.

I'm sure eventually lawsuits will have to figure out exactly how we are to proceed as there will be dozens of variant schools emerging each based on a specific culture.

Just think it might even lead to a "Nascar Charter school" one day.

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Just think it might even lead to a "Nascar Charter school" one day.

lol!

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Of course, their is another facet to be considered. I spent eight of my K-12 years in public schools and the middle of those five years in parochial schools. For less money, and old, crappy, outdated books, and minimal resources, with twice the class size, I received a better education at St. Mel's Elementary and Crespi Carmelite than I did at Oso Avenue Elementary and William Howard Taft Highschool. But, what I could only get at the public schools, was how to interact with a diverse society, and the opposite sex.

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Of course, their is another facet to be considered. I spent eight of my K-12 years in public schools and the middle of those five years in parochial schools. For less money, and old, crappy, outdated books, and minimal resources, with twice the class size, I received a better education at St. Mel's Elementary and Crespi Carmelite than I did at Oso Avenue Elementary and William Howard Taft Highschool. But, what I could only get at the public schools, was how to interact with a diverse society, and the opposite sex.

Though... rumor has it... little Billy boy used to get a raging woody on when the nuns would smack his behind harshly with their canes. Oh, Billy, behave! :devil:

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Of course, their is another facet to be considered. I spent eight of my K-12 years in public schools and the middle of those five years in parochial schools. For less money, and old, crappy, outdated books, and minimal resources, with twice the class size, I received a better education at St. Mel's Elementary and Crespi Carmelite than I did at Oso Avenue Elementary and William Howard Taft Highschool. But, what I could only get at the public schools, was how to interact with a diverse society, and the opposite sex.

This is what cracks me up about the classroom-size fetish sponsored by teachers unions around the country. I had most of my later years of schooling in India, my class sizes were quite large and yet I learned so much more there than I did here. The fetish over classroom-size is just a way for teacher unions to justify more teacher positions.

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Though... rumor has it... little Billy boy used to get a raging woody on when the nuns would smack his behind harshly with their canes. Oh, Billy, behave! :devil:

I still have a fetish for women in authority. Is that so wrong?

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I still have a fetish for women in authority. Is that so wrong?

Do you have Marie dress up in an Nun's habit?

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Thread hijack has begun What took you guys so long?