Happy International Women's Day Ladies!!!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I guess my question would be what does Anya 1 think of Anya 2, and do you have to hear about it? We try to stay out of the Russian Community and the gossip circuit, but it would be pretty hard for these two to do that Last night at dinner we ran into the owner of the closest of our two Russian stores. He was there with his ex-wife (no shi1t) and daughter. Of course he wished Vika a happy IWD. After they left, Vika turns and says "#######, now every Russian in the city will know we can afford to eat here".

What restaraunt Brad? And Vika doesn't want them to know? We have the same with one couple, Olga 2 and her husband. They are fairly well off, not wealthy, and mostly because the man was never married before, never drained by an American ex-wife, they have a pretty nice house, certainly no mansion and not even very big. The other women think she (Olga 2) rubs their noses in it, but she nice to me. (which burns up Alla also) I'm told it is because I do not understand the nuances of interaction between Russian women. Guilty as charged...and do not want to learn!

Anya 1 and Anya 2 HATE each other! And YES, I hear about it. Anya 2 says Anya 1 is living in "her husband's" house, and tells Alla that she is no good as a hair dresser. Anya 1 (about the same age as Alla) says Anya 2 is a young strumpet that just lured away her husband by spreading (incredibly long) legs. (Russian women are SO direct it is funny) Anya 2 is easily a full 2 meters tall! No kidding. Anya 2 (actually the first of the two I met because she is in Alla's class at school) learned about Alla knowing Anya 1 when Alla recommended that she go to this "great Russian hair dresser she knows...and, hey, her name is Anya also!" Ooops. This was before Alla was driving even, so when I picked her up at school that day....OMG did she have the stories to tell.

Now Anya 2 and the husband come to our local Amer/Rus parties, so I actually see Anya 2 more than Anya 1. The husbands last name begins with "K" and I thought of calling them "Anya K-1" and "Anya K-2" (since Anya 2 is about the age of most K-2s ) But thought that may be pushing it. All the women accept the numbers once they learned the number is not a ranking but just a way to keep them in order when Alla starts yakking, and it is "chronological" so to speak.

[visaveteran 1]

Wow. I feel so embarrassed for you VV. I guess nobody told you; Russia is no longer a communist country. Man, sorry you had to find out this way. I'm surprised you didn't know this. I thought everyone knew. Well, I guess someone has to be the last person.

Just a small FYI about what some people's grandfathers have fought for. I vaguely remember reading something about life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Basically that means freedom from having other people try to force us on how we should live our lives. And well, last I checked not one person here has told you to celebrate IWD, yet you have repeatedly tried to undermine our freedom to enjoy part of another culture. (Just a small history lesson: America was formed by multiple cultures). So while we don't care if you celebrate this holiday, you would like nothing better than to force everyone not to celebrate this or any other holiday you deem not American enough.

So if I do some quick math, looks to me like there's only one non American among us. And that would be you.

There is still a Russian Communist Party. In fact, they just made the news...they will be carrying posters of Stalin's picture in this year's Victory Parade. That was forbidden until Putin praised Stalin in a major speech recently.

I told Brad that if he authentically felt connected to IWD, to enjoy it. If he was just playing to his wife, he was just be pragmatic. Nothing noble in that. I guess you missed that.

I have not asked anyone to not celebrate IWD. Just put out my reply to an free and open forum. You know, Freedom of Speech.

I fought for America. How about you?

[mox 298]

VV, you know there's a Communist Party in the US too, right? There's also a Nazi Party and a Teabagger Party and there's even a bunch of asholes who like to go out and protest military funerals. And oh yeah there's the thoroughly racist and disgusting "birthers" that the Governor of Alaska has sided with. What a horribly sh1tty and barbaric country we live in huh?

I too fought for all of them, and for people like you. And so did others here, so step down off the high horse, hero, you're not special. And because somebody didn't wear a uniform in the service of this country doesn't make them a second class citizen to you.

Nobody here ever *demanded* that you shut up. We asked you to respect our rights to celebrate this day, which you declined, even long after you had provided the "balance" that's so important to you. So next time you get all uptight about people talking about guns or pie or horse vaginas or whatever, I want you to please think back to this. You're just as disruptive as the next "swinging dik."

Edited March 9, 2010 by mox

[visaveteran 1]

VV, you know there's a Communist Party in the US too, right? There's also a Nazi Party and a Teabagger Party and there's even a bunch of asholes who like to go out and protest military funerals. And oh yeah there's the thoroughly racist and disgusting "birthers" that the Governor of Alaska has sided with. What a horribly sh1tty and barbaric country we live in huh?

I too fought for all of them, and for people like you. And so did others here, so step down off the high horse, hero, you're not special. And because somebody didn't wear a uniform in the service of this country doesn't make them a second class citizen to you.

Nobody here ever *demanded* that you shut up. We asked you to respect our rights to celebrate this day, which you declined, even long after you had provided the "balance" that's so important to you. So next time you get all uptight about people talking about guns or pie or horse vaginas or whatever, I want you to please think back to this. You're just as disruptive as the next "swinging dik."

The Tea Party is a large and growing group, mostly older Americans and has political clout...as witnessed in Scott Brown's upset victory. I see you lump them in as extremists which shows your silly view of things. The US Communists and Nazis might have 500 members if they're lucky. Russia was ruled by the communists for 80 years. See any difference?

You're right. I'm nothing special serving my country. I do think when someone says I'm not an American, it's fair to note I served as a counter to that comment. I know context does not mean much to you, but it does to me.

And you really are a trip, acting like someone's hosting a IWD party and I'm a gate crasher. This is an open forum and anyone is free to comment. I've yet to hear the OP ask me to stop posting. Probably because he has some common sense and realism about this forum.

And, as far as agitating in someone else's thread...you're the king. You post here to play your silly game. I'd guess you could care less. This is how you get attention.

[visaveteran 1]

We need to learn 'em proper! Alla is teaching English classes now, VV, aren't you thrilled that now a former Komsomol student officer is teaching English in America? I'm damn proud of her. here 18 months and now she is teachin Americans to speak English! You go GIRL! Anyway, I had her flowers delivered to her class today and she used it as a teaching moment to learn her class proper about womens day! I am sure that makes you happy, VV. I try to do my part.

I've heard how Vermonters speak English...so I'm not surprised they'd turn to anyone for help. Only problem might be teaching weights and measures. Like LUBS (lbs).

[mox 298]

This is an open forum and anyone is free to comment.

Hold on to this comment. It's going to come back at you some day.

[visaveteran 1]

Hold on to this comment. It's going to come back at you some day.

I have no comment on your comment about my comment.

Care to comment?

[Cixelsyd 1]

You're Mox on steroids. Nothing here to respond to. Probably a personal attack. Let's wait and see.

You're coming to a community who appreciates women and is composed of members who at the very least find Russia/FSU to be interesting.

You can't seriously believe your hate speech about women and Russia/FSU is going to be welcomed here.

Everyone's primary goal in coming to this forum is to help others with their visa process. It's secondary to enjoy some common interests that we have in our lives. Maybe it helps some people pass the time.

And if you actually did provide any help with visa's then I'd probably let you slide. But you don't. In fact, your primary and only goal in coming here is to spread your hate rhetoric about the two subjects we have an interest in.

So simply labeling someone as "Aw, you're just another Mox" is a pathetic cop-out. As previously mentioned, everyone here has something in common with him, except you. We (excluding you in this "we") love our wives/husbands/fiance's; they're not some "reward for the fall of communism". We (again, not you) like to learn about where they are from to better understand who they are now.

I can't see how/why you think you deserve to be welcomed with opened arms on this forum. I'm not the first to pull your card and I won't be the last; so long as you come here to continue your personal crusade.

[mox 298]

We (excluding you in this "we") love our wives/husbands/fiance's; they're not some "reward for the fall of communism".

This.

It's obvious that if vv really does have a Russian wife (and the more I read, the more I doubt it, because I can't imagine any self-respecting woman would put up with that kind of rhetoric and treatment day in and day out), he considers her a war trophy for "beating" the Soviet Union. A Russian (or anyone else for that matter) might hate their government, hate their city, hate their bureaucracy, hate the poverty they live in, hate their family, hate their jobs, and overall hate their quality of life, and might even hate it all enough to marry some droll schmuck to get away from it all. But I have never known a Russian to hate their country and culture, especially not to the point where they'd happily suppress it all as vv suggests his does. If vv's wife really exists, and if he isn't just a troll but actually pushes her face in his self disillusions of grandeur every day like he does here, I think he's in for some big surprises in the future. I hope at least.

[visaveteran 1]

You're coming to a community who appreciates women and is composed of members who at the very least find Russia/FSU to be interesting.

You can't seriously believe your hate speech about women and Russia/FSU is going to be welcomed here.

Everyone's primary goal in coming to this forum is to help others with their visa process. It's secondary to enjoy some common interests that we have in our lives. Maybe it helps some people pass the time.

And if you actually did provide any help with visa's then I'd probably let you slide. But you don't. In fact, your primary and only goal in coming here is to spread your hate rhetoric about the two subjects we have an interest in.

So simply labeling someone as "Aw, you're just another Mox" is a pathetic cop-out. As previously mentioned, everyone here has something in common with him, except you. We (excluding you in this "we") love our wives/husbands/fiance's; they're not some "reward for the fall of communism". We (again, not you) like to learn about where they are from to better understand who they are now.

I can't see how/why you think you deserve to be welcomed with opened arms on this forum. I'm not the first to pull your card and I won't be the last; so long as you come here to continue your personal crusade.

This is not a community...it's an anonymous public forum. Get real.

I've been on it for years in one way or another. So I'm not coming to anything. I've been here long before you.

Yes, some others on here have something in common with Mox. And how is that a good thing?

There is no definition to this forum...it's open to anyone which is why eekee posts as a non visa seeking member, or none RUB members post their comments freely. If there is a purpose, it's to help get people visas...not worship women. The rest is just filler...often of a silly nature. You fill it with your crappola and I fill it with mine. Tomorrow no one will care.

This will be my last reply to any of your posts. In my world vets are brothers, not pit bull enemies. In my world, vets support vets, not attack them with cowardly anonymous personal attacks of a vile nature...and to suggest I should have been killed by fellow soldiers in combat is way out of bounds. How low you will go is something I am in wonder of.

[visaveteran 1]

This.

It's obvious that if vv really does have a Russian wife (and the more I read, the more I doubt it, because I can't imagine any self-respecting woman would put up with that kind of rhetoric and treatment day in and day out), he considers her a war trophy for "beating" the Soviet Union. A Russian (or anyone else for that matter) might hate their government, hate their city, hate their bureaucracy, hate the poverty they live in, hate their family, hate their jobs, and overall hate their quality of life, and might even hate it all enough to marry some droll schmuck to get away from it all. But I have never known a Russian to hate their country and culture, especially not to the point where they'd happily suppress it all as vv suggests his does. If vv's wife really exists, and if he isn't just a troll but actually pushes her face in his self disillusions of grandeur every day like he does here, I think he's in for some big surprises in the future. I hope at least.

You weave a great fantasy. And like all fantasies, there is no truth or realness to them. I see you Moxifying this discussion. Taking it lower and lower into innuendo, insults and generally flooding the discussion with unfounded negative suggestions based only on your warped view of things. And you've again found a kindred playmate to join you in your silly game. Birds of a feather...

[mox 298]

For what it's worth, I'll never go so far as to question personal "battlefield" histories. I agree with a lot of what Cix posted, but I can't support that particular line of conversation.

Having said that, I wish it had been your last reply about 2 pages ago. It's one thing to have the "right" to piss all over a thread that was meant to honor our spouses and fiancees. It's quite another to exercise the tact of self-restraint in playing the spoiler card. All we (yeah, "we") wanted to do was say a few nice things about our wives and fiancee's on IWD. You don't support IWD. We all got that from your first post. The tactful thing--the honorable thing--to do would have been to just walk away and let the rest of us partake.

[Cixelsyd 1]

This is not a community...it's an anonymous public forum. Get real.

There's too many flaws in this statement to point them all out. If you don't see it, then I just can't help you there.

I've been on it for years in one way or another. So I'm not coming to anything. I've been here long before you.

Your join date is less than a year before mine.

Unless you mean you've been coming here as a troll under different names?

Yes, some others on here have something in common with Mox. And how is that a good thing?

So you basically just proved my point that you are against women and Russia/FSU. Because that would be having something in common with Mox and hence a bad thing by your logic.

There is no definition to this forum...it's open to anyone which is why eekee posts as a non visa seeking member, or none RUB members post their comments freely. If there is a purpose, it's to help get people visas...not worship women.

So you basically just beat yourself with your own words. "This forum doesn't have a purpose". "The purpose of this forum is to help get people visa's".

I haven't seen an argument this one sided since a blind guy got in a debate with a deaf guy.

The rest is just filler...often of a silly nature.

Actually, I agree with you on this. Hey, how bout that.

I'm not so interested in talking about a lot of things people talk about here. But unlike you, I don't feel the need to try and drag their conversation down, just because it doesn't fall in line with what I want.

This will be my last reply to any of your posts. In my world vets are brothers, not pit bull enemies. In my world, vets support vets, not attack them with cowardly anonymous personal attacks of a vile nature.

So next time be more careful before you start throwing around phrases like: "I fought for America, how about you?".

Always know your opponent. Or at least have some idea.

I think that covers all we need for now.

[visaveteran 1]

For what it's worth, I'll never go so far as to question personal "battlefield" histories. I agree with a lot of what Cix posted, but I can't support that particular line of conversation.

Having said that, I wish it had been your last reply about 2 pages ago. It's one thing to have the "right" to piss all over a thread that was meant to honor our spouses and fiancees. It's quite another to exercise the tact of self-restraint in playing the spoiler card. All we (yeah, "we") wanted to do was say a few nice things about our wives and fiancee's on IWD. You don't support IWD. We all got that from your first post. The tactful thing--the honorable thing--to do would have been to just walk away and let the rest of us partake.

Mox, I'm glad you have distanced yourself from the comments that, I judge, far exceeded boundaries of decency and mature commentary.

I will withdraw from this thread...we all need to know when to move on. Much of my continuing to post on here was replying to those who choose to engage me, rather than ignore me. Call it provocation.

I will close by observing that few men have actually posted in regards to IWD. I'd call it disappointing if I supported the holiday.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

There is still a Russian Communist Party. In fact, they just made the news...they will be carrying posters of Stalin's picture in this year's Victory Parade. That was forbidden until Putin praised Stalin in a major speech recently.

I told Brad that if he authentically felt connected to IWD, to enjoy it. If he was just playing to his wife, he was just be pragmatic. Nothing noble in that. I guess you missed that.

I have not asked anyone to not celebrate IWD. Just put out my reply to an free and open forum. You know, Freedom of Speech.

I fought for America. How about you?

There is a communist party in America also. So what? You support freedom, yes? You fought for freedom, yes? Russian people are free to choose whatever political party they wish to support, as are we. The last I heard, that was a good thing. "Freedom" does not mean we all agree with Visaveteran. Freedom means we are free to think as we wish. I expect many people will not agree with me...how about you?