Muslim woman barred from boarding after she refuses body scan at airport

[The_Dude 1,142]

Being airports are private institutions, and being that the FAA regulates them, technically speaking full body scanners (or any searches without cause) are a violation of the 4th amendment.

It'd be a completely different fish if the airport were completely private and an airline chose to do the scans, but seeing as it's the government doing them, it makes a difference.

Either way though, some of those scans are very revealing and some don't want joe blow viewing their bodies. Be if for religious reasons, be it for privacy reasons, be it for principle of the matter of being accused of something before being shown guilty.

We have become a paranoid group of sheep who do whatever our guberment wants in the name of 'security' without just cause....

Of course, terrorists will always upgrade. See: Bomb breast implants.... - What's next, legally being able to grope women's breasts?

FFS. where does it stop.

Oh and the quote isn't a Franklin quote, it's a mid 18th century quote by an anonymous party actually. Somehow it got tagged to Franklin though by people trying to think that made a difference by who said it...

Sorry, but you are wrong here. Body searches are NOT a violation of the 4th amendment. When you purchase a ticket, you are giving implicit consent to such searches. Hence, there is no violation of the 4th amendment when consent is given. If you are unaware that you are consenting to this when you purchase a ticket, that is your own fault.

[Craneman 2]

How is it a surprise that you could be searched at the airport ?????

Sorry, but you are wrong here. Body searches are NOT a violation of the 4th amendment. When you purchase a ticket, you are giving implicit consent to such searches. Hence, there is no violation of the 4th amendment when consent is given. If you are unaware that you are consenting to this when you purchase a ticket, that is your own fault.

[The_Dude 1,142]

How is it a surprise that you could be searched at the airport ?????

Did you accidentally reply to my post?

[Scott & Lai 12]

Terrorists will always find a way.

Those who sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither.

Then why have any security measures at all?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Then why have any security measures at all?

No one says not to be cautious, but there is a such thing as overly cautious...

[The_Dude 1,142]

No one says not to be cautious, but there is a such thing as overly cautious...

We're not talking about people smuggling in beer to a football game. Lives are at stake here.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

We're not talking about people smuggling in beer to a football game. Lives are at stake here.

Lives are at stake when you get behind the wheel of your car every day...

The odds of someone blowing up a plane aren't that great.

You're more likely to die from heart attack.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Lives are at stake when you get behind the wheel of your car every day...

The odds of someone blowing up a plane aren't that great.

You're more likely to die from heart attack.

Nice red herring there. We're not talking about cars, we're talking about full body scanners at the airport, and you made the (false) claim that it was against the 4th amendment. It's not, so what is your argument now?

[Craneman 2]

I am agreeing with you.

Did you accidentally reply to my post?

[mawilson 2,133]

A Muslim woman was barred from boarding a flight after she refused to undergo a full body scan for religious reasons.

Wow, two birds with one stone!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

We have these security measures because the government needs to be seen to be doing something.

I keep pointing out that you are more at risk on a commuter train than you are on a jetliner. Anyone can get onto a train with a backpage full of explosives and there is no security whatsoever.

[Craneman 2]

You do not fly much, or you would not make this statement.

Lives are at stake when you get behind the wheel of your car every day...

The odds of someone blowing up a plane aren't that great.

You're more likely to die from heart attack.

[Scott & Lai 12]

So, help me out here, at which point does the Franklin (or whoever) quote apply? I give up some liberty when TSA searches my baggage, should that be eliminated? How about having to go through the standard x-ray machines, or taking off my shoes?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

He isn't wrong though - air travel is the safest mode of transport. Terrorism creates fear and big headlines (which is why they do it), but it's not a very likely outcome for the vast, VAST majority of air travelers.

[SMR 368]

Being airports are private institutions, and being that the FAA regulates them, technically speaking full body scanners (or any searches without cause) are a violation of the 4th amendment.

It'd be a completely different fish if the airport were completely private and an airline chose to do the scans, but seeing as it's the government doing them, it makes a difference.

Either way though, some of those scans are very revealing and some don't want joe blow viewing their bodies. Be if for religious reasons, be it for privacy reasons, be it for principle of the matter of being accused of something before being shown guilty.

We have become a paranoid group of sheep who do whatever our guberment wants in the name of 'security' without just cause....

Of course, terrorists will always upgrade. See: Bomb breast implants.... - What's next, legally being able to grope women's breasts?

FFS. where does it stop.

But the airport doesn't require you to be searched. They only refuse to let you get on the plane if you don't submit to the search. You can refuse the search, just like this woman did.