Can you be anti-gay marriage

[scandal 951]

You got that right. These are lameass chopfucks.

Hey! What are we doing posting here??

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Hey! What are we doing posting here??

:unsure:

[Danno 1,228]

How do we get from declining population to declining culture?

There is nothing wrong with a stable population, we can't keep expanding population and expect we will continue to have the resources to feed them. The shift to a lower growth rate has everything to do with economics and very little to do with culture. As an economy matures and there and social programs replace family as a means of retirement, there is no longer a need to have a lot of kids. Having children becomes of a choice than a necessity.

Stable Population? which countries are you referring to?

Having children is a personal choice, maintaining a nations population.... it is a necessity.

Without having kids, you are left to importing other people to work and pay for those "social programs" you mentioned.

This is the modern story of Europe.

It baffles me how intelligent people can plot the complexities of Global warming but this simple math equation doesn't phase them.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

True, and you might note, I never said it was.

Embracing Homosexuality is merely a symptom of a declining culture, again take not of those who embrace it and compare their birthrate.

When 4 grandparents are all sharing a single grandchild, I would say the writing is on the wall.

Spin that MC

How do you figure that?

Furthermore, how are birth rates at all relevant in connection with "embracing homosexuality"? The one has nothing whatsoever to do with the other.

[Dan J 277]

Stable Population? which countries are you referring to?

Having children is a personal choice, maintaining a nations population.... it is a necessity.

Without having kids, you are left to importing other people to work and pay for those "social programs" you mentioned.

This is the modern story of Europe.

It baffles me how intelligent people can plot the complexities of Global warming but this simple math equation doesn't phase them.

You are making the assumption that the population growth will continue to decline instead of stabilize at a neutral rate. There is a period of transition in which the older generation may have more people than the younger generations, but as the older generation passes on, it will equal out. So there might be a need for extra workers to take care of the older generation until they do pass on, but it will not be a constant need, only a need during a transition. Its somewhat exacerbated with the baby boom following WW2.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Stable Population? which countries are you referring to?

Having children is a personal choice, maintaining a nations population.... it is a necessity.

Without having kids, you are left to importing other people to work and pay for those "social programs" you mentioned.

This is the modern story of Europe.

It baffles me how intelligent people can plot the complexities of Global warming but this simple math equation doesn't phase them.

It baffles me how people can believe that "climate change" can destroy a society, but willfully weakening family structures can't. A lot of the western nations that have embraced gay marriage have merely given up. Too many have abandoned God, nannyisms have torn the fabric of their traditions and marriage is becoming an old fashioned notion for the young. Not a model to strive for. Europhilia, to the point of remaking your own culture to be more like those in decline, is more than a bit troubling. Not a model to strive for.

Edited March 5, 2010 by Sofiyya

[ready4ONE 5,400]

It baffles me how people can believe that "climate change" can destroy a society, but willfully weakening family structures can't. A lot of the western nations that have embraced gay marriage have merely given up. Too many have abandoned God, nannyisms have torn the fabric of their traditions and marriage is becoming an old fashioned notion for the young. Not a model to strive for. Europhilia, to the point of remaking your own culture to be more like those in decline, is more than a bit troubling. Not a model to strive for.

Allowing gay marriage only weakens family structures if you are biased against gay marriages for religious or purely personal reasons because both come from the same misinformed mindset.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Hmmm anyone would think that the US leads the field when it comes to the success of marriages. Somehow I don't think that's quite true.

[Danno 1,228]

How do you figure that?

Furthermore, how are birth rates at all relevant in connection with "embracing homosexuality"? The one has nothing whatsoever to do with the other.

One of your problems HUnt is you -read into something what you want to see..... on some occasions you even go into mind-reading mode.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

One of your problems HUnt is you -read into something what you want to see..... on some occasions you even go into mind-reading mode.

Danno you do seem to be saying allowing gay marriage is wrong because you can't produce children via them. First of all, if you are not gay you will not be forced to enter into a gay marriage. Traditional marriages will remain the most common. Second of all, scientifically, it is possible for lesbians to procreate without the need for male sexual contact, so even if everyone decided hetero marriages are out, lets all marry gay, the species can and would survive.

Edited March 5, 2010 by ready4ONE

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

One of your problems HUnt is you -read into something what you want to see..... on some occasions you even go into mind-reading mode.

Is that somehow relevant to the post you quoted?

[Danno 1,228]

You are making the assumption that the population growth will continue to decline instead of stabilize at a neutral rate. There is a period of transition in which the older generation may have more people than the younger generations, but as the older generation passes on, it will equal out. So there might be a need for extra workers to take care of the older generation until they do pass on, but it will not be a constant need, only a need during a transition. Its somewhat exacerbated with the baby boom following WW2.

I don't have to assume it will continue to decline, if it remains as it is now..... 2 parents having 1 child, ...it's over.

Is it possible starting tomorrow women will start producing 3 children on average and pull the country out of a dive??

Yeah I guess it;s possible.

Wanna give me the odds it will happen?

Soon it will be over, beyond correction.

To be honest, if I were like 30-40 years old and living in Europe and seeing you have few kids to care for you in your old age.... you had better hope the New Europeans are feeling mighty generous to take care of old folks who have no connection to them.

I wouldn't bet on it.... but they are.

[Dan J 277]

It baffles me how people can believe that "climate change" can destroy a society, but willfully weakening family structures can't. A lot of the western nations that have embraced gay marriage have merely given up. Too many have abandoned God, nannyisms have torn the fabric of their traditions and marriage is becoming an old fashioned notion for the young. Not a model to strive for. Europhilia, to the point of remaking your own culture to be more like those in decline, is more than a bit troubling. Not a model to strive for.

Climate change can affect very basic needs, from safety to food availability. The need for religion or social order is a much higher level need.

Ironically, the move to secularization in Europe has been the primary the result of state sponsored religion. Where as religion is a protected right in the US, and it sort of flourishes in an evolutionary way, constantly changing to meet the needs of its followers. If churches in the US attempt to assert themselves too much politically, which they have been through the Republican party, we will see a similar secularization of the US. We already are showing signs of that happening. The fastest growing religious group in the US, is no religion (Atheists, agnostics, deists, and other not religious groups).

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Allowing gay marriage only weakens family structures if you are biased against gay marriages for religious or purely personal reasons because both come from the same misinformed mindset.

Weak-minded religious biases are ruinous, we all know. Liberal-secular-elitist biases are only for the good of all. No personal idiocy or silly prejudices involved there to poison society.

Yea, right. My azz. The problem with you libs is that you all think you are God.

Edited March 5, 2010 by Sofiyya

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Weak-minded religious biases are ruinous, we all know. Liberal-secular-elitist biases are only for the good of all. No personal idiocy or silly prejudices involved there to poison society.

Yea, right. My azz. The problem with you libs is that you all think you are God.

I don't look to the norms of thousands of years ago, I prefer to live in the now. Believe as you wish.