Can you be anti-gay marriage

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So, they're mouth pieces are back in court trying to overrule the majority. Libs hate democracy and voting because they can't get their way unless they force it thru courts.

Yeah, like this here liberal mouthpiece.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Yeah, like this here liberal mouthpiece.

yea

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Ted Olson is a liberal mouthpiece? Thanks for confirming yet again just how uninformed you really are.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Ted Olson is a liberal mouthpiece? Thanks for confirming yet again just how uninformed you really are.

Hey didn't his wife die during 9/11?

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Hey didn't his wife die during 9/11?

Yes. And he was a prominent figure in helping Bush win Bush v Gore. And he worked for Bush later on. If he's a lib because he supports gay marriage, so is ####### Cheney

[Fandango 1,439]

I'm no lib either! *spit spit*

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I'm no lib either! *spit spit*

[Danno 1,228]

That strategy bears the risk, of course, of having a homosexual offspring. These things do happen. Just ask one of the most unlikely supporters of same sex marriage: ####### Cheney.

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1. Why are you so sure people with a different opinion DON"T have a homosexual child or family member already..... get off the -talking points already.

2. It seems ####### Cheney says what most people have said historically, (though you seem to disagree) that THe Fed should not be making these laws.

Unfortunately we have moved away from that concept.

3. Are you under some impression that Bush/ Cheney were some icons that the Right models its self after, or seek wisdom from?

Since when did his views seem to be so weighty for the LEft?

[Danno 1,228]

I want people to not be arbitrarily denied some of their most basic rights. What if a majority of the country thought that importing brides and grooms wasn't that good an idea. Would you say, oh well, gotta find someone else to marry then and hope that someday a majority of people will be kind enough to allow me to marry who I really want to marry.

1. How is it this "most basic right" was not even discovered until a few decades back by a hand full of people? Seems odd.

2. what are the other "basic rights" so that we don't have any more surprises?

What other variations of marriage are a basic right? (no really, tell us)

3. Immigration law is decided by a lot fewer people than the nations majority..... were you under some impression these laws are voted on?

But to your silly point... NO, no one has a right to trump immigration law because they are in love. YOu might though, have the right to leave the USA and go be with your true love in their country.

You have been around VJ this long and you ask this?

I'm no lib either! *spit spit*

Awwe, go on and swallow, you know you want to.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Yes. And he was a prominent figure in helping Bush win Bush v Gore. And he worked for Bush later on. If he's a lib because he supports gay marriage, so is ####### Cheney

He also worked for Reagan. Damn liberals.

[Fandango 1,439]

Awwe, go on and swallow, you know you want to.

Yeh, I walked right into that one...

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

1. How is it this "most basic right" was not even discovered until a few decades back by a hand full of people? Seems odd.

2. what are the other "basic rights" so that we don't have any more surprises?

What other variations of marriage are a basic right? (no really, tell us)

3. Immigration law is decided by a lot fewer people than the nations majority..... were you under some impression these laws are voted on?

Many basic rights weren't discovered for millenia and were codified into law only in rather recent history - relatively speaking. And they weren't all adopted at once but incrementally. Following the adoption of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution ("No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."), laws and the courts have, over time, made it clear that equality under the law extends to all person regardless of gender, race, religion or place of origin. Not all at once but over time, the court has acknowledged that equality under the law cannot be denied based on any of these traits that a person, quite obviously, does not control.

Marriage, while not specifically discussed in the Constitution, has been identified by this country's highest court as a fundamental and basic human right. In Loving vs. Virgina, the court states that "The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men. Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival." There's no issue of "variation" - I know you always like to try to head down that nonsensical path but you'll have to do that by yourself - but merely an issue of marriage - the state sanctioned bond between two people that wish to commit their lives to each other.

As for that last point of yours, I thought you knew that the laws are a product of the representative bodies that the people elect. You don't have to have a public referendum on every law for that law to be the expression of the people. It's how a representative system of government works.

"Four score and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth upon this continent a new nation: conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

We're still on the path to fulfill that very proposition. And while frustratingly slow, we will get there.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Ted Olson is a liberal mouthpiece? Thanks for confirming yet again just how uninformed you really are.

I'm very aware of who Ted Olsen is. I'm sure I've known about him longer than you have. I have no idea how he really feels about gay marriage because right now, as an attorney, it's in his best interest to be pro-gay marriage. Attorneys don't always believe in what they advocate for. And working for Bush doesn't make you a conservative. Bush turned out to be a huge disappointment to us in many ways.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

David Gergen worked for Republicans, and he's a flaming lib. Geraldo Rivera is a registered Republican, and he's a pyro lib. I've watched Chris Matthews shift from center left to far left and Juan Williams move from the left closer to the center. Heck, even Clinton moved right. Blue dog Dims have conservative instincts.

Don't believe that folks who make their living in politics or opinion never shift sides, they often do. Knowing that makes me more informed than are you, puppy.

[Fandango 1,439]

I can't believe how ludicrous this is getting. VJ sheesh