islamic marriage and recognized

[shoshoandhamada 0]

I was just curious did any body do an islamic marriage and still used the k1 visa in egypt. I am planning on getting married and have a party and take plenty of pictures but will this hurt the cances of him coming on k1 coz islamic marriage in egpyt is not recognized it is like orfi. if u understand what i mean.

[Nagishkaw 510]

Topic moved from IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Case Filing and Progress to Middle East Northern Africa.

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Edited March 2, 2010 by Nagishkaw

[tenderheartusa79 14]

Well to answer your question yeah you can do that .But please note the the K1 '' fiance-e'' visa is for people who are nor married and they want to get married in USA .

I have seen so many people did the same thing '' They married Islamic '' Orfi '' and they filed for K1 visa and there was not any problem.I have even seen some cases the CO asked the guy if he married his fiancee Islamic ''Orfi '' and they guy said yeah and the CO was like well it wont effect your visa i just wanted to know if you are honest or not .But be careful cause maybe the CO will be like if you are already married so you are not able to get a K1 visa cause its for people who are not married !!!

Good luck and my best wishes for ya .

Mohamed

[shoshoandhamada 0]

thank you so much for your reply

i am sorry i did not make myself clear on the k1 part, yes i want him to come here (usa) to stay with me. wow i did not know the co can say that. we are not getting married in court just the mazoon to write the book only, will that still be a problem

thank you soo much for thw wishes

[tenderheartusa79 14]

If you are going to notarize the marriage I guess yeah it could be a problem cause the embassy can find out about that .But if you are not going to notarize it it wont be a problem .

Good luck .

[egypt lover 0]

just i want say some thing there r diffrence between islamic marrige and orfi the islamic marrige the mazzon already notarise it so i think it would be problem u know what u can go through cr1 that will be better for u

[ya hayat alby ♥ 0]

Islamic marriage is not like orfi at all... orfi is hidden and not allowed. Islamic marriage is perfectly fine and the community is notified and there is nothing shady about it. Just to clarify...

[tenderheartusa79 14]

I don't think that she was talking about the different between the Islamic marriage and the Orfi one .I guess that the notary '' Ma'azon'' will get them married but he will not notarize it .If so it wont be a problem but if he will notarize it yeah it will be a problem cause as i said the embassy can find out about that .

[shoshoandhamada 0]

thank you mohamed for clearing that up for me and also thank you to all the replies

have good day everyone wherever u may be

[tenderheartusa79 14]

thank you mohamed for clearing that up for me and also thank you to all the replies

have good day everyone wherever u may be

You are more than welcome .

[ya hayat alby ♥ 0]

I knew that, just wanted to clear it up because someone might be confused who doesn't know about Islam and such... so I just wanted to avoid a misunderstanding. Because orfi is having a creepy side to it and I don't think it should ever be mentioned alongside a normal and good Islamic marriage...

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I don't think you are Muslim, so I want to tell you something that your fiance should have already told you. Going to a Muslim country to "marry" in a way that is not recognized by the Muslim country is not Islamic at all. You will not be married. We are directed by God to obey the law of the land we live in. So, if the intent of this "marriage" is to be alone together, then have a ceremony, but don't call it Islamic because will be nothing Islamic about it. Islam requires legality; marriage is a binding social contract with enforcable rights and responsibilities. What some incorrectly call an Islamic marriage can't be enforced because it is only between the two of you and you gain nothing from it, legally or spiritually. Even if the community knows, they have no say over your acts. This is not even the way it was done by the Prophet. It is a fable some believe.

You are worried that if you do a fake marriage in Egypt that it will hurt your chances to marry legally and correctly in the US. You should know that it is actually insulting to knowlegable Muslims for people to go to a Muslim country and flaunt their laws, but then worry that they must obey the law of a non-Muslim country to get a visa. Don't treat Islam and its requirements cavalierly. It is not a toy; it is a real faith with real obligations and should be treated with respect.

Most of the women here are not Muslim, and no one comes here saying they're going to have a fake Christian or Jewish marriage, then do a K1. They know better than to disrespect their own faiths. I don't understand why any honorable Muslim man would even suggest a fake marriage to a women he respects, much less call it "Islamic".

I'm also surprised that no one who answered this thread informed you correctly about any of this. I am not trying to be harsh, but Muslims should know better than to allow others to do this. We suffer the burden of the sins committed by those we mislead. So, have an engagement party, if you wish, but don't do what others who know less have done before you.

Edited March 5, 2010 by Sofiyya

[ya hayat alby ♥ 0]

Hmm well it is normal to write the book in some circumstances, and the couple stays separate and do not live together. Technically they are 'married' but did not consummate. They do that later once a house is ready, the couple both finished their study etc.

I don't know the girls case, but I was thinking that was what they did. Since it would be hard to spend any time going out together w/o it in a acceptable way...

Also, I do believe she is actually Egyptian and Muslim.

Edited March 5, 2010 by ya hayat alby ♥

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Hmm well it is normal to write the book in some circumstances, and the couple stays separate and do not live together. Technically they are 'married' but did not consummate. They do that later once a house is ready, the couple both finished their study etc.

I don't know the girls case, but I was thinking that was what they did. Since it would be hard to spend any time going out together w/o it in a acceptable way...

Also, I do believe she is actually Egyptian and Muslim.

I see. Thank you for pointing that out. Still, nothing's changed. Adult Muslims should know better than to pretend to be married "Islamically". A marriage in Islam is as valid as any other, if done correctly. If you have to get a fiance visa after being "married", you're just not married, period. You're engaged, perhaps. but not married, Islamically or otherwise.

Edited March 5, 2010 by Sofiyya

[shoshoandhamada 0]

ok

the only thing i did was to ask a question!!

i just wanted to know if it would be considered a valid messege IF it was done just with mazoon

Secondly ALHAMDULILLAH I AM MUSLIM I WAS BORN MUSLIM

i wanted to know if it would considered like orfi or not becuase the mazoon does not sign the paper and if he did what kind of visa would i need

You took it way out of context.