Scalia: There is no right to secede

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Of course there is no 'right' to secede, if there were, states would be continually holding the federal government to ransom, at least the bigger states would. Of course, if a state wants to secede regardless of any 'right' to do so then they can go ahead and do that, but I would imagine that trying to turn a state into a fully fledged independent country would be fraught with difficulty, social, political and economic. It would likely lead to violence as well.

As a Canadian, we don't have to deal with such problems.

[Peikko 1,575]

I have never heard of the Canadian provinces wishing not to be part of greater Canada, but I would imagine there are movements of that nature, particularly when a province is rich in a particularly valuable resource.

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I have never heard of the Canadian provinces wishing not to be part of greater Canada ...

You have never heard?? You should really attempt to better inform yourself of North American politics. That is just amazing.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I have never heard of the Canadian provinces wishing not to be part of greater Canada, but I would imagine there are movements of that nature, particularly when a province is rich in a particularly valuable resource.

Ummm.....ummmm....Quebecois ring a bell?

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Ummm.....ummmm....Quebecois ring a bell?

She has no idea. They must not talk about the Bloc Quebecois on British TV.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

She has no idea. They must not talk about the Bloc Quebecois on British TV.

It is French, after all, and we all know how silly they are!

[Peikko 1,575]

No, I don't know that much about Canada, the horror!

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It is French, after all, and we all know how silly they are!

As if being French wasn't bad enough, they are also (kinda) Canadian.. which just compounds the silliness!

[Peikko 1,575]

No, I don't think they do - not that it matters as I do not have access to British TV.

I have heard of Quebec, and I do know that they are french speaking, I wasn't aware that they had a campaign to secede from Canada.

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No, I don't think they do - not that it matters as I do not have access to British TV.

I have heard of Quebec, and I do know that they are french speaking, I wasn't aware that they had a campaign to secede from Canada.

They have had a number of referendums on the subject. They even have their own representatives in some UN organizations (I forget which ones).

[Peikko 1,575]

They have had a number of referendums on the subject. They even have their own representatives in some UN organizations (I forget which ones).

Good for them, I think. I don't see where this is going however, what are the parallels between Quebec and Texas?

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Good for them, I think. I don't see where this is going however, what are the parallels between Quebec and Texas?

Quebec is much further along than Texas is. The frogs have bite to go along with their bark. The Texans just bark.

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Look what I found!

A world away from Texas

One (Olympic) flame dies – but maybe another flame flickers back into life. All hail Cascadia, the nationalist dream of a new, free land that puts the environment, culture and liberal values first? Don't laugh (though don't get too carried away either). The name may sound somewhere between patent water softener and Prisoner of Zenda. The logic of the idea, however, has plenty of hard thinking behind it.

In a sense, Thomas Jefferson started things rolling long ago. He saw no particular reason why any fledgling US should stretch to the Pacific. He was quite happy to countenance a separate republic way to the west. And so, of course, were the people who built the distant country where Oregon, Washington and British Columbia met. They dreamed of their own Cascadia, after the range of Cascade mountains that bound them together. They felt – as many still feel – that rule from Washington or Ottawa is governance simply too far.

What? You hadn't heard about the Cascadian Nationalist party and its entirely civil pursuit of separatism? That's not entirely surprising. When al-Qaida tore down New York's twin towers, it also put up walls of bureaucracy along the border that made driving from Vancouver to Seattle heavy duty security business. Stop, as I've done, at the Blaine frontier post where Highway 99 meets Interstate 5 and you'll find rather more hassle than at Dover to Calais.

But there is, nonetheless, some practical power here. Portland, Seattle and Vancouver are an almost continuous metropolitan belt. Think Leeds to Manchester to Liverpool. The maze of islands and promontories around Puget Sound make one natural entity. And the values of politics, almost of instinctive belief, are consistent too. Abortion, euthanasia, co-ops, gay marriage – even socialism as a word that may sometimes mutter its name? Cascadia might sit quite happily just outside Stockholm. Bush, Cheney, Fox News and Tea Party Texas are a world away.

Now, of course, Cascadia isn't going to happen anytime soon. Indeed, except in a freedom lite version, it will probably never happen. But there are plenty of reasons for warming over the embers.

One is simple physical logic. Cascadia is a fit, a world top 20 economy waiting to happen, as well as a meeting of minds. But even talking about it puts a country and a political system we ought to talk about constantly high in the frame. For Americans, too much of the time, are patronisingly racist about Canada (think Irish or Polish jokes) and much too prone to play the Nafta bully when trade push comes to shove. The British press may not have saluted Vancouver's Olympic organisation, or weather, with quite the humility necessary for 2012 – but too many American journalists strode fresh off the plane with a bad case of curled lip.

Yet why, pray, is the Canadian way – or the Cascadian way – any more outlandish than the Mad Hatter's tea party antics currently transfixing Washington DC? And why is constitutional change, as opposed to rightwing rage, such a forbidden American subject?

Britain talks constitutional upheaval constantly: devolution, voting systems, local government, the lot. Europe embraces historic upheaval. But America, stuck with a duff legislative balance and party system prone to deliver only mush, pork barrels and impotence, can't find a way to adjust. That's what makes Cascadia such an alluring prospect.

Why should Portland have to put up with San Antonio's tunes? Who needs manic fundamentalist rows that don't resound across Puget Sound? Cascadia may never join the UN, but it's an idea of cohesion and radical progress whose day ought to come. At the very least, there's a region here, a region that ought to count – and it would light a flame under much DC beltway baloney if it did.

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Interesting.

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Interesting.

I stayed with a member of the Quebecois 35 years ago in Montreal. He wanted California to engage in a joint trade agreement with the new nation. Being 18 at the time, I just wanted to meet French girls and drink beer.