Unemployed? Tough ѕhit

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I am not quite sure how it's good business to be stubborn about getting what one needs to do business by the way, can you explain that?

Because people are trainable.

For instance, radio broadcasting as a small example... You didn't used to need a degree to go work for a station. Now days, if you don't have a communications degree and an understanding of the system already, they usually won't hire you. People got by just fine before and some of the top jocks in the country never went to college who have been on for the last 20 years, but now days it's different...

Companies aren't willing to take the time nor money to train people anymore.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

No, the biggest problem is that you are talking about human beings, not robots, people that need to survive while all this bubbling goes on, people who are not demanding anything more than re-employment or continued employment.

Should GM have been allowed to fail? Perhaps so, but that would have led to larger rates of unemployment, and I do not see where all these 'new jobs' are coming from that would have absorbed all the GM workers without becoming a burden on someone and yet they should not get UI until they can once again get back on their feet. Can you explain how that would have worked?

They would come easier if we brought manufacturing back to the United States.

We hardly make ###### here anymore and the only thing we truly have as a substanative industry is agriculture.

A consumer driven economy will NEVER be successful.

People didn't used to worry about how big their TV was, how big their couch was, how big their house was, etc.. People cared about making sure the next meal was on the table for their family.

As I said, you go into the poorest of neighborhoods today and you'll find nice cars, brand name shoes, etc.... Why? Stubborness, ignorance, lack of education on spending habits, the ease of having a paycheck all the time.

People in the 40's, 50's and even the 60's understood after the great depression what it meant to haev a job and what it meant to work hard and live witin your means. We got away from that because we FORGOT what it was like to have to worry.

People NEED to worry, people NEED to suffer, to starve, to see others hurt, to realize that things have to change. People have to see that. That's why the government shouldn't bail companies out, shouldn't keep holding people up, etc..

Entitlement is what has killed us and will continue to do so until we realize it just can't happen.

[Peikko 1,575]

They would come easier if we brought manufacturing back to the United States.

We hardly make ###### here anymore and the only thing we truly have as a substanative industry is agriculture.

A consumer driven economy will NEVER be successful.

People didn't used to worry about how big their TV was, how big their couch was, how big their house was, etc.. People cared about making sure the next meal was on the table for their family.

As I said, you go into the poorest of neighborhoods today and you'll find nice cars, brand name shoes, etc.... Why? Stubborness, ignorance, lack of education on spending habits, the ease of having a paycheck all the time.

People in the 40's, 50's and even the 60's understood after the great depression what it meant to haev a job and what it meant to work hard and live witin your means. We got away from that because we FORGOT what it was like to have to worry.

People NEED to worry, people NEED to suffer, to starve, to see others hurt, to realize that things have to change. People have to see that. That's why the government shouldn't bail companies out, shouldn't keep holding people up, etc..

Entitlement is what has killed us and will continue to do so until we realize it just can't happen.

People need to suffer to learn how to live in a civilized society?

[Peikko 1,575]

One word: Savings

Americans seem to lack this concept.

When a couple making $60,000 a year is living paycheck to paycheck, THAT is the problem with America. That couple could live comfortably on $40,000 of that income and there's no reason why they shouldn't be saving several thousand dollars a year on that income.

Why do people have savings? For those 'emergency' situations like this....

The people who get laid off and don't have savings are the people who live pay check to pay check. You seem to believe that everyone who earns a low wage spends their money as though they were idiots or better yet, should actually starve in order to better appreciate how lucky they are to live in a country that allows people to live like ######.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

People need to suffer to learn how to live in a civilized society?

Suffering teaches people to live better. Temporarily mind you as history will show us, but it does teach.

[Peikko 1,575]

I'm really rather confused what you think people should do when they are poor, but it seems for the most part that they should be grateful that they get the crumbs off the table of the rich, is that about right?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

The people who get laid off and don't have savings are the people who live pay check to pay check. You seem to believe that everyone who earns a low wage spends their money as though they were idiots or better yet, should actually starve in order to better appreciate how lucky they are to live in a country that allows people to live like ######.

Paycheck to paycheck people account for people poor and rich.

People have forgotten to live within their means and plans ahead.

[Peikko 1,575]

Paycheck to paycheck people account for people poor and rich.

People have forgotten to live within their means and plans ahead.

Poor people who live paycheck to paycheck do not have the wherewithall to make the kinds of savings required to undergo prolonged periods of unemployment under their own steam. Did you study any history at all? Do you believe that most people should in fact live a life of poverty, as they did 150 years ago?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I'm really rather confused what you think people should do when they are poor, but it seems for the most part that they should be grateful that they get the crumbs off the table of the rich, is that about right?

Oh there you go, trying to play the rich versus poor game.

The 'rich' for the most part aren't as corrupt as you'd like to make them out to be and are quite charitable even. There's plenty of bad apples, but not most.

We aren't a socialist company, there's going to be rich, there's going to be poor, there's going to be those who do without. That's THEIR problem and not my own, sorry.

I shouldn't be forced to pick up the slack of someone else and nor should you. now if you CHOOSE to help those people out, great. Shouldn't be forced to, sorry.

Poor people who live paycheck to paycheck do not have the wherewithall to make the kinds of savings required to undergo prolonged periods of unemployment under their own steam. Did you study any history at all? Do you believe that most people should in fact live a life of poverty, as they did 150 years ago?

Poverty is cynical at best in the United States and you know it. Don't even try and go there.

[Peikko 1,575]

Oh there you go, trying to play the rich versus poor game.

The 'rich' for the most part aren't as corrupt as you'd like to make them out to be and are quite charitable even. There's plenty of bad apples, but not most.

We aren't a socialist company, there's going to be rich, there's going to be poor, there's going to be those who do without. That's THEIR problem and not my own, sorry.

I shouldn't be forced to pick up the slack of someone else and nor should you. now if you CHOOSE to help those people out, great. Shouldn't be forced to, sorry.

I was not the one who claimed humans were inherently corrupt, you were.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I was not the one who claimed humans were inherently corrupt, you were.

I said people are inherently corruptable. There's a difference.

Why do you think many lottery winners end up bankrupt. It's because they didn't know how to manage money before they had the money and they sure as hell don't know how to do it after.

[Peikko 1,575]

It's not a game, I don't put rich versus poor, I am simply trying to determine what you think should happen to a large section of society that doesn't have the means to withstand unemployment, not because they are stupid, but because they never had sufficient to put aside for this 'rainy day' scenario.

I said people are inherently corruptable. There's a difference.

Why do you think many lottery winners end up bankrupt. It's because they didn't know how to manage money before they had the money and they sure as hell don't know how to do it after.

What is the difference in this context?

Lottery winners are relevant how? By their very nature, people who play lotteries are feckless, that proves nothing at all.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

It's not a game, I don't put rich versus poor, I am simply trying to determine what you think should happen to a large section of society that doesn't have the means to withstand unemployment, not because they are stupid, but because they never had sufficient to put aside for this 'rainy day' scenario.

Even someone making minimum wage has the ability to put away sufficient savings if they try.

What is the difference in this context?

Lottery winners are relevant how? By their very nature, people who play lotteries are feckless, that proves nothing at all.

My point is that people don't know how to manage their money and people don't plan ahead.

No one 'expects' to lose their job, but those who realize it 'could' happen, do indeed set money aside in a savings account, investment account, etc.. You don't have to be rich to save money and you don't even have to be middle class, you just have to realize your threshold.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

People have forgotten to live within their means and plans ahead.

i'll agree to that in general. most i know of tend to expand their spending to match their income when they get a pay raise. saving money often seems like a forgotten art with many.

[Peikko 1,575]

Even someone making minimum wage has the ability to put away sufficient savings if they try.

My point is that people don't know how to manage their money and people don't plan ahead.

No one 'expects' to lose their job, but those who realize it 'could' happen, do indeed set money aside in a savings account, investment account, etc.. You don't have to be rich to save money and you don't even have to be middle class, you just have to realize your threshold.

How does someone making minimum wage put away savings? What do they 'do without' on a monthly basis in order to do that? Everyone knows they could lose their job, everyone who is employed expects to get another one when they do. It is not an unreasonable expectation. Most people who have enough money left over at the end of the week/fortnight/month to indulge in savings, save for life's emergencies of which there are more than just unemployment. There isn't enough money in minimum wage for people to sustain themselves during periods of unemployment well, not if they have any expectation of having money to live on once they are too old to work, it's that simple.

i'll agree to that in general. most i know of tend to expand their spending to match their income when they get a pay raise. saving money often seems like a forgotten art with many.

Saving money in a way that brings some benefit to the saver you mean? Saving requires some incentive, and 2% interest per annum ain't it! When the people 'back then' saved, they had a much more realistic expectation that their money would be worth more when they needed it, not less.