Unemployed? Tough ѕhit

[ValerieA 350]

I've collected before and it's always been enough. You just have to cut back. I haven't collected in over 10 years but have moved several times for work (cross country).

Um, so why did you go back to work? By your argument, there is no incentive to because you had UI.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

This may be of a surprise to you but not everyone wants US style (anything goes) freedom. Furthermore, the real kicker is going to be the reality that many abroad actually use the US perception of what is considered freedom as a reason to implement the opposite, in order for their country to "not end up a US".

And those people are free to live where they choose, but don't change the system for those of us who want it.

Granted there again, that is quite possible in the United States. Our states have always supposed to have been basically their own 'mini-nations' protected by the collective so long as they stayed within the boundries of the constitution. You could have a state be completely socialist in the United States, no problem, just as you could have a complete free-market state if you wanted. That's the beauty of it. It's a place for everyone, no matter what you really want, except for a complete dictatorship.

The fallacy of the US is people who make changes/regulate things they have no understanding of whatsoever because they 'feel' that a 'few' were done unjustly. If one kid dies from choking on something, doesn't mean the product has to change and that' the problem we have today....

Freedom comes at a price and no one said it didn't. Life may not always be perfect, but the opportunity is always there to those who are willing to reach out for it. The problem being is a whole lot of people don't know how to take care of themselves properly and need some extra help/guidance along the way. Which is fine to an extent, but there has to be a point where you say, 'you're on your own buddy.' - It may seem cruel, but it's damned honest. You have a better opportunity of going from nobody to somebody here if you're willing to work to achieve it. There will always be those who will try and keep you down and those who say you can't do it, but if you work hard enough and don't give up, and play the game properly, you can be successful.

As I said, I'm not against regultion, I'm just against over-regulation. Stop those who are purposefully deceiving others and those who are committing fraud on the system, but don't punish everyone for the few bad apples out there.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Um, so why did you go back to work? By your argument, there is no incentive to because you had UI.

Because there's a clock on benefits and for good reason.

Businesses can't afford the excess taxes and fees on them to pay for it and the taxpayers sure as hell can't and don't want to pick up the slack.

[Peikko 1,575]

Whatever is at fault for the current high rate of unemployment, it's not the government then? Work is available, it's just that the people who are unemployed are too spoiled to take the work because they are used to entitlements?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Whatever is at fault for the current high rate of unemployment, it's not the government then? Work is available, it's just that the people who are unemployed are too spoiled to take the work because they are used to entitlements?

If you've read what I've said it's not just people but companies as well.

Engineers are out there waiting for the next engineering job to pop up.

A computer manufacturer is waiting for the next person who understands computers better, etc..

People and companies aren't willing to give-in on what they are used to.

So many times I have seen 'on the job training' getting thrown out the window for a company who would rather wait for someone more 'qualified' instead of actually training people.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I think everyone is ignoring the math here. There is what 2.5-3 million jobs available at this moment? Then there is 14million officially unemployed?

What will this do to earnings? If a major section of the population cut their spending by half that could cause a major jerk to the economy and we enter into a double dip. I can't help but find the irony in the fact the Banks were to big to fail but our unemployed simply do not matter.

[Peikko 1,575]

If you've read what I've said it's not just people but companies as well.

Engineers are out there waiting for the next engineering job to pop up.

A computer manufacturer is waiting for the next person who understands computers better, etc..

People and companies aren't willing to give-in on what they are used to.

So many times I have seen 'on the job training' getting thrown out the window for a company who would rather wait for someone more 'qualified' instead of actually training people.

Do people need unemployment or not? I thought your argument was that they do not, they just need to cut their suit to fit the cloth? I also thought that in your argument, business could not be at fault for anything - hence why there is no requirement to regulate.

If a business wants to wait for gold people to fill their positions, surely that's their right as a free enterprise?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I think everyone is ignoring the math here. There is what 2.5-3 million jobs available at this moment? Then there is 14million officially unemployed?

What will this do to earnings? If a major section of the population cut their spending by half that could cause a major jerk to the economy and we enter into a double dip. I can't help but find the irony in the fact the Banks were to big to fail but our unemployed simply do not matter.

Btw, I do understand the strain UI is causing but instead of stopping extensions all together, how about they stop adding new tiers and just continue to renew the ones already set up.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Do people need unemployment or not? I thought your argument was that they do not, they just need to cut their suit to fit the cloth? I also thought that in your argument, business could not be at fault for anything - hence why there is no requirement to regulate.

If a business wants to wait for gold people to fill their positions, surely that's their right as a free enterprise?

Do people 'need' it? Temporarily, but not long term. It's not feasible and it's not affordable for the rates that have been raised on businesses.

A business is free to do what it wants, just as a person is free to do what they want, but there has to be a breaking point somewhere. It's either going to be the businesses who can't afford the UI or the people who can't afford to live off UI or the beenfit gets cut.

The problem is stubborness by all parties.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Do people 'need' it? Temporarily, but not long term. It's not feasible and it's not affordable for the rates that have been raised on businesses.

A business is free to do what it wants, just as a person is free to do what they want, but there has to be a breaking point somewhere. It's either going to be the businesses who can't afford the UI or the people who can't afford to live off UI or the beenfit gets cut.

The problem is stubborness by all parties.

Again, you say not long term. That's fine in normal conditions but how about the math of the current situation?

[Peikko 1,575]

Do people 'need' it? Temporarily, but not long term. It's not feasible and it's not affordable for the rates that have been raised on businesses.

A business is free to do what it wants, just as a person is free to do what they want, but there has to be a breaking point somewhere. It's either going to be the businesses who can't afford the UI or the people who can't afford to live off UI or the beenfit gets cut.

The problem is stubborness by all parties.

Surely people need it until they get a new job regardless of who finances it, no?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I think everyone is ignoring the math here. There is what 2.5-3 million jobs available at this moment? Then there is 14million officially unemployed?

What will this do to earnings? If a major section of the population cut their spending by half that could cause a major jerk to the economy and we enter into a double dip. I can't help but find the irony in the fact the Banks were to big to fail but our unemployed simply do not matter.

The irony is fun isn't it?

GM should have been let to fail, just as any bank who was in trouble should have failed.

The PROBLEM and the biggest problem with the United States as a whole is this 'entitlement' mentality.

There will always be ups and downs in an economy. You don't flourish by trying to stop the downturn, you flourish by letting the downturn happen and then rise back out of it.

Whatever goes up, must always come down. It you stop it half-way, you've only put a bunch of goop around a bubble that will eventually burst even bigger than it would have had you just let it deflate the first time and starte with a new bubble.

[Peikko 1,575]

I am not quite sure how it's good business to be stubborn about getting what one needs to do business by the way, can you explain that?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Surely people need it until they get a new job regardless of who finances it, no?

One word: Savings

Americans seem to lack this concept.

When a couple making $60,000 a year is living paycheck to paycheck, THAT is the problem with America. That couple could live comfortably on $40,000 of that income and there's no reason why they shouldn't be saving several thousand dollars a year on that income.

Why do people have savings? For those 'emergency' situations like this....

[Peikko 1,575]

The irony is fun isn't it?

GM should have been let to fail, just as any bank who was in trouble should have failed.

The PROBLEM and the biggest problem with the United States as a whole is this 'entitlement' mentality.

There will always be ups and downs in an economy. You don't flourish by trying to stop the downturn, you flourish by letting the downturn happen and then rise back out of it.

Whatever goes up, must always come down. It you stop it half-way, you've only put a bunch of goop around a bubble that will eventually burst even bigger than it would have had you just let it deflate the first time and starte with a new bubble.

No, the biggest problem is that you are talking about human beings, not robots, people that need to survive while all this bubbling goes on, people who are not demanding anything more than re-employment or continued employment.

Should GM have been allowed to fail? Perhaps so, but that would have led to larger rates of unemployment, and I do not see where all these 'new jobs' are coming from that would have absorbed all the GM workers without becoming a burden on someone and yet they should definitely not have get UI until they can once again get back on their feet, but just as long as 'business' can afford to pay it, regardless of how long they might NEED it. Can you explain how that would have worked?

Edited February 26, 2010 by Madame Cleo