America's No. 1 Killer: Cardiovascular Disease. How Americanized do you really want to become?

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Part A

1. No supported by any data Ravenesque provided

2. Not supported by any data Ravenesque provided (or you)

3. Not supported by ay data Ravenesuqe or you provided.

I could say the exact opposite and attach the life expectancy charts for proof. Life expectancy does not address any of the above. Please provide data to support wht YOU say and then I will provide mine. I am still waiting.

Part B

1, 2, 3. Irrelevent. The data YOU provided (again) shows that while the US may be 49th, that mneans there are sone 130 countries with lower life expectancies than the USA, most of whihc have health universal health care. Using YOUR figures, I can say, conclusively

"1/3 of coutries with universal health care have longer life expectanices than the USA. 2/3 of the countries with universal health care have shorter life expectancies than the USA"

My Ukraine comparison is not irrelevent in showing that there are variablkes other than health care in life expectancy. Your figures prove that also, UNLESS you are will to concide there is a 66% chance our life expectancy will get worse with universal health care. The data you provide indicate that.

Part C

1. I didn't need any time to research anything. I asked for the bill, the bill included a 50% discount for uninsured/self insured. It is not the first hospital bill I have paid for. I do have a family and we do have medical expenses on an ongoing basis, I know the local hospital's policy. (big shocker, eh?) It isn't like it is a secret. I do not need a posting of the median income, I didn't ask for it, I do not care what the median income or net worth or whatever is. "Median" means half are above that point and half are below. I am in the "above" half. I knew that, I do not need a chart to tell me so.

2. So? I do. Let the others buy their own insurance or get it through their employer. I don't have to. get over it. The VAST majority of Americans, something like 90% even by the most pessimistic standards, have their own health insurance. I am one of the 30 million (or whatever million it is this week whether or not you count illegal aliens) and I choose not to have it. I zm Given that we have HSA legislation I would have to say I am not the only one, I am sure my bank didn't start the HSA program just for me.

Oh yeah...the 178,000 was mostly tax free. I will deduct it from my 2009 income so it is not all bad news.

So, when I see the documentation that I asked for, twice and even gave details, only then would I even consider offering to spend my time to prove anything to you. Frankly I do not care if you believe me or not. The Democrats have so fouled up any opportunity at health care reform, it is really just a "hot stove league" issue anyway.

Ok, you win. Vermont wants tobe part of New Hampshire. I have to go back to work now.

yeah...yeah...you're a liar.

everything revenesque and i said are supported by links...facts...CIA. try again.

you claim to have paid a $178K bill, and it's all 'tax free' you can simply 'write off' on your taxes for 2009. so you're in something like the upper 81% plus of income? great. that STILL means those in the 80% and BELOW, who have a median net worth of $86,000 , can't afford to pay that bill. tax deductable or not. so, paying cash for such a bill is STILL not the answer for 80% plus of americans.

i never said/implied that some folks don't have employer paid insurance, nor did anyone else. most folks who are for universal health care simply want THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE IT to have coverage. you saying 'get over it' is meaningless, and simply shows you have nothing to back up what you've said.

i GAVE the median income of americans, and it has nothing to do with what you asked for. you ARE delusional, aren't you. i gave facts, and backed them up. you talked smack, and can't back it up. seems you're a just a bad liar. period. it's good you DON'T care if i believe you or not. then again, why bother saying it?

your ukraine comparison was TOTALLY irrelevant. it was not connected to the conversation, nor did it have a point. it was a pathetic attempt to divert. didnt work.

you ever gonna PROVE that the other countries (48) who have longer life expectancies ALL take out 'accidental and criminal' deaths? no, because you can't.

LOL...you'll come back with more b.s. but don't tell yourself you've diverted away from your failure to prove your statements, because you didn't.

you got any other skills...beyond saying stuff you can't back up, putting your hands over your ears and yelling 'irrelevant' any time you can't back up what you say? perhaps you can juggle while riding a unicycle?

Edited February 24, 2010 by neoconsnightmare

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Given that we have HSA legislation I would have to say I am not the only one, I am sure my bank didn't start the HSA program just for me.

Having an HSA doesn't mean not having health insurance. Many group plans offer an HSA option, allowing an employee to be covered under insurance, and use the tax advantage of the HSA to pay their out of pocket expenses. My employer's HSA plan does just this, and it combines Blue Cross medical along with an HSA at a bank. The HSA is portable, meaning you can take it and any balance it contains with you if you leave that employer. I am sure my employer, Blue Cross, and bank didn't start this program just for me.