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Everyone's getting really stupid by nitpicking Gary on his personal choices. Calling him a sponge is completely out of line.

No, it's not. He is no more responsible than anyone who pays for health insurance and in fact demonstrably less so, in that he benefits from the system that is in place while not paying into it. That's pretty much the definition of a sponger.

Refusing to use the spellchick!

I have put you on ignore. No really, I have, but you are still ruining my enjoyment of this site. .

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Why do you insist on personalizing this? I don't feel sorry for you, I don't envy you, I don't give to hoots about you personally. However the generic you, the people like you are part of the reason why perfectly responsible, reasonable and rational people are having to pay more for health care than is reasonable or rational. Eradicate all the emotional clap trap from your posts and you got nothing Gary, boohoo.

Then WHY are you analyzing my financial situation, my health premiums and doing a basic pro-forma on my insurance choices without any information as to my actual financial situation?

I agree that people pay to much for insurance, which is why i do not...I do not have to. But I do no tthink the government is the answer. The government cannot fix the problem. PEOPLE can fix the problem if they address it and do not pass it off to the government

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Everyone's getting really stupid by nitpicking Gary on his personal choices. Calling him a sponge is completely out of line.

some just can't get used to the idea that not everyone agrees with them. how gary chooses to handle his healthcare won't affect my sleep tonight.

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Yeah people can fix the problem (if you happen to have a few hundred grand laying around) :rolleyes:

Gary, if you had your way we'd all be living in a Dickensian dystopia. Which would probably suit you just fine, so long as you got to wear a top hat and weren't covered in coal dust.

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No, it's not. He is no more responsible than anyone who pays for health insurance and in fact demonstrably less so, in that he benefits from the system that is in place while not paying into it. That's pretty much the definition of a sponger.

:lol:

why can you not debate without making things up? I never said people that buy health insurance are not responsible for themselves. Never. Ever.

I said that the government providing our health care and deciding what we will eat, drink and smoke is not "personal reponsibility". If you choose to handle YOUR obligation to pay for YOUR healthcare by buying insurance, it is absolutely fine with me. I choose not to. I am pro-choice. Are you pro-choice?

I merely stated that health insurance does not reduce costs, which is true. I merely stated we should be allowed to live as we choose (pro-choice...individual liberty) and pay for it ourselves (individual responsibility) HOW you pay for YOUR healthcare is none of my concern. You can pay cash, buy insurance use a credit card...I do not care. Pro choice, that's me.

I am going to make a Philly Cheese steak sandwich, I have cholestoral pills I pay for now so I can, it is OK. Alla is out shopping, I can eat whatever I want when she isn't home. :lol: She will try to make more responsible when she gets home...no fun.

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Yeah people can fix the problem (if you happen to have a few hundred grand laying around) :rolleyes:

Gary, if you had your way we'd all be living in a Dickensian dystopia. Which would probably suit you just fine, so long as you got to wear a top hat and weren't covered in coal dust.

I beleive you should live as you choose...and pay for it. I have nothing against people covered in coal dust...all occupations are honorable.

some just can't get used to the idea that not everyone agrees with them. how gary chooses to handle his healthcare won't affect my sleep tonight.

I would hope not.

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Actually I live on an island. It is surrounded by a lake, not a swamp. a very beautiful lake, crystal clear and surrounded by mountains on both sides. Really beautful. I choose to make this one of my homes because it is beautiful and I can live wherever I want and pay for it. Yes I paid for the land I attach my pier to and fish from. I paid the rate for lakefront property. So, yes, I paid for that. Also, yesterday I bought a new boat...a big one. It was sold at auction, seized from drug dealers running that good Canadian hydroponic pot into Vermont on MY lake...can you believe it? I wrote a check for the boat too. Super deal. Front Cabin, sleeps four, full canvas, with trailer. Alla is going to look SOOOOO good stretched out in the sun on that deck this summer. Damn I am glad I didn't die when I had the heart attack. Aren't you? I will fish from it this summer. Aren't you happy for me? Oh #######, now you will say I am conceited for answering your questions.

Due to paying for my own medical though, I am forced into buying big boats in US Marshal auctions rather than retail. Dammit. Oh well, the price you pay for an unhealthy lifestyle.

That's great. I'm all for being self sufficient and independent. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about your refusal to acknowledge that you've had to rely on the government for various things, from time to time in your life. And that doesn't make you a leech, even if other tax payers paid for your benefit. Self sufficiency is something that we should all strive for, but it isn't absolute, not even in the most extreme case. Should your house catch on fire or one of your loved ones need immediate medical assistance, you're going to be dialing 911 to try and save them.

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why can you not debate without making things up? I never said people that buy health insurance are not responsible for themselves. Never. Ever.

I said that the government providing our health care and deciding what we will eat, drink and smoke is not "personal reponsibility". If you choose to handle YOUR obligation to pay for YOUR healthcare by buying insurance, it is absolutely fine with me. I choose not to. I am pro-choice. Are you pro-choice?

I merely stated that health insurance does not reduce costs, which is true. I merely stated we should be allowed to live as we choose (pro-choice...individual liberty) and pay for it ourselves (individual responsibility) HOW you pay for YOUR healthcare is none of my concern. You can pay cash, buy insurance use a credit card...I do not care. Pro choice, that's me.

I am going to make a Philly Cheese steak sandwich, I have cholestoral pills I pay for now so I can, it is OK. Alla is out shopping, I can eat whatever I want when she isn't home. :lol: She will try to make more responsible when she gets home...no fun.

I don't make things up, you do not understand the arguments presented. Part of the reason you despise the current system, that it is more expensive than it needs to be for the average consumer, is perfectly sensible, but your choice to opt out is not because you are not 'opting out' of both the benefits and the responsibility, merely the responsiblity. You are currently free to make that choice, but it doesn't mean I should respect that choice.

As I said way back when, you seem to believe that because you pay your bills, you are independent of the rest of society. You are deluded, as is everyone else who makes similar choices that negatively impact others.

some just can't get used to the idea that not everyone agrees with them. how gary chooses to handle his healthcare won't affect my sleep tonight.

Goody, another baiting post. You're on a roll today Charles.

Refusing to use the spellchick!

I have put you on ignore. No really, I have, but you are still ruining my enjoyment of this site. .

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That's great. I'm all for being self sufficient and independent. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about your refusal to acknowledge that you've had to rely on the government for various things, from time to time in your life. And that doesn't make you a leech, even if other tax payers paid for your benefit. Self sufficiency is something that we should all strive for, but it isn't absolute, not even in the most extreme case. Should your house catch on fire or one of your loved ones need immediate medical assistance, you're going to be dialing 911 to try and save them.

Feel better now? I never said any of those things you assin to me. Can anyone debate the issue without making things up? I am a taxpayer stephan, definitley not a leech. There is even a "911 surcharge" on my phone bill. I pay for that also.

I know I am not a leech despite what Madame Cleo says

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Gary And Alla

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The thing is, it doesn't make any financial sense to pay out of pocket for a procedure like a heart bypass, when if you had insurance you would not have paid anything close to that.

You expect people here to believe that you did this for reasons of personal ideology - that you would rather have paid more rather than participate in insurance. If you did indeed do this (and it is not BS to spin your own bad choice not to buy insurance) - it makes as much financial sense as lighting your cigar with $20 bills.

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Gary, if you had your way we'd all be living in a Dickensian dystopia. Which would probably suit you just fine, so long as you got to wear a top hat and weren't covered in coal dust.

This has absolutely got to be the best post of the day! :lol::thumbs:

Don't just open your mouth and prove yourself a fool....put it in writing.

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This is what it boils down to, the health care system that is in place today; with all its expensive and modern treatments, is only the way it is, and the benefits of it can only be enjoyed by anyone that can pay for it by whatever means, because of the power of economics of scale. The reason why some of the more technical treatments are at the affordable level they are at, is because even people who can't pay out of pocket for these services can pay for them by buying health insurance. The fact that health insurance is not as cheap as it could be (even while we have a flawed system) is partly because of those who 'choose not to' buy health insurance.

America could go aheand and adopt a completely different system, that would be cheaper and better for everyone, but that's too 'socialist' to even contemplate. What those who 'think like Gary' demonstrate, is that even bad choices can be ideologically justified if one pretends that not buying insurance is a no fault decision, that they can then catch up and pay sufficiently into the system by paying in cash (should they be so lucky as to have enough cash available) when and if they get sick. That's foolish and irresponsible. That's not a pragmatic way to run health care, it's not pragmatic, and it definitely does not demonstrate that those who act responsibly get rewarded, while those who act irresponsibly pay.

Refusing to use the spellchick!

I have put you on ignore. No really, I have, but you are still ruining my enjoyment of this site. .

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I don't make things up, you do not understand the arguments presented. Part of the reason you despise the current system, that it is more expensive than it needs to be for the average consumer, is perfectly sensible, but your choice to opt out is not because you are not 'opting out' of both the benefits and the responsibility, merely the responsiblity. You are currently free to make that choice, but it doesn't mean I should respect that choice.

As I said way back when, you seem to believe that because you pay your bills, you are independent of the rest of society. You are deluded, as is everyone else who makes similar choices that negatively impact others.

Goody, another baiting post. You're on a roll today Charles.

1. You make no freaking sense at all

2. Choice is about not giving a damn what others think of your choice. That is why it is called "choice"

3. This philly cheese sandwich is awsome!

4. as you made the mistake of saying before, I am not independent of society, I am independent of government, except for those services I pay for. Government is not society. Society is not government. ####### is the problem with that? I do not need the government to provide for my health care, I do not need the government to tell me what to eat, smoke or drink, or ounsih me if I do not eat, smoke and drink what they want me to. I give the governemtn a great big middle finger and tell them to ####### off while I eat my cheesesteak sandwich.

VERMONT! I Reject Your Reality...and Substitute My Own!

Gary And Alla

 

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