Girl, 11, Gives Birth to Baby Boy

[Ali G. 37]

Sadly, sometimes mistakes have really bad consequences and it is not going to be possible to simply eliminate mistakes.

So why should I literally pay, one way or another, for the negligent or poor choices of someone else?

I have never made a choice in my life that would cause somebody else to suffer because of it, directly or not.

[Peikko 1,575]

As tends to be the case with such discussions, fell free to actually discuss what the ideal solution is in your opinion. You guys seem to have a knack for discrediting any and every solution but always fail to offer this magical solution of your own, that I am apparently oblivious to.

Edit: I want a solution that does not involve me or anybody else unwillingly paying for it, that includes the prospect of crime from such a child.

You as a member of society will always pay for the mistakes of others BY. I would rather my paying for it resulted in something useful, than simply chest beating.

I already stated that in my opinion, the parents and child need to be provided with counseling to find out what went wrong, because an 11 year old becoming pregnant is quite definitely not a good thing and she needs the means in order to not make the same choices in the future and moving forward provide the means for her to grow and her child to grow up and become productive members of society as far as is possible.

Jailing and fining the parents would not achieve any of those ends.

[Peikko 1,575]

So why should I literally pay, one way or another, for the negligent or poor choices of someone else?

I have never made a choice in my life that would cause somebody else to suffer because of it, directly or not.

I doubt that's true, our actions can have some very unexpected results and to have moved through life without having any adverse effect on anyone else would be somewhat extraordinary.

However leaving aside your superhuman abilities, the fact is that you do pay for the negligent and poor choices of others all the time, be it in the premiums for your health insurance policy (or national health service contribution) or your taxes. Realistically, anything you pay for has an inbuilt penalty because of the poor choices of others, and sometimes the poor choices of ourselves, us mere mortals of course

[Ali G. 37]

you do now that if this child and her baby would be taken from their parents you would end up paying for it because they more then likely would go into the foster care system

Damage is done, so I like others am now forced to pay for it. Therefore, since I have no choice but to pay for their mistake, no matter what, I want some sort off restitution for this in the form of punishment for the kid's parents - be it financially or time taken away from them by means of prison. Otherwise I should be able to opt out of paying any tax towards them. To the contrary, people like yourself are more than welcome to fund this 11 year old, possibly her parents and her new child out of your pocket. Now that is what I call freedom of choice.

Edited February 17, 2010 by Booyah

[Peikko 1,575]

Damage is done, so I like others am now forced to pay for it. Therefore, since I have no choice but to pay for their mistake, no matter what, I want some sort off restitution for this in the form of punishment for the kid's parents - be it financially or time taken away from them by means of prison. Otherwise I should be able to opt out of paying any tax towards them. To the contrary, people like yourself are more than welcome to fund this 11 year old, possibly her parents and her new child out of your pocket. Now that is what I call freedom of choice.

and someone else might want restitution by chopping off the ####### of the father, yet someone else by putting the baby into adoption but so what? Aside from beating your chest and feeling good what would you actually achieve with your 'solution'? #### all. You have no right to restitution BY. You personally have lost nothing, you are simply a responsible member of society and as such you bear the responsibility of helping those who make mistakes as well as enjoying the freedoms that such that society bestows on us. You BY, are lucky, as am I because we are not the ones who are facing the consequences of these incredibly bad choices beyond a few cents out of our taxes. Quite frankly, that's a pretty good deal in my book.

[Ali G. 37]

I doubt that's true, our actions can have some very unexpected results and to have moved through life without having any adverse effect on anyone else would be somewhat extraordinary.

However leaving aside your superhuman abilities, the fact is that you do pay for the negligent and poor choices of others all the time, be it in the premiums for your health insurance policy (or national health service contribution) or your taxes. Realistically, anything you pay for has an inbuilt penalty because of the poor choices of others, and sometimes the poor choices of ourselves, us mere mortals of course

That's because those with left wing views like yourself (please don't deny it) are all for folks like myself, working like a fool, while the lower class gets to utilize my hard earned tax for their own benefit. I still have the article where the professor in the UK, quit working because it was more profitable to be on the dole and raise their tenth kid.

Considering I pay more than my fair share in tax, I deserve to have some say on where my taxes should go and where they should not. Funding losers on the dole having babies is totally unacceptable. Funding a 11 year old child having their own child is grounds for violence. Unfortunately for me, once this kid grows up and is eventually a perpetrator of crime, geriatric Cleo will blame it on socioeconomics and people like myself for apparently being too greedy. The cycle of crime, poverty and blame continues; only to have gran kid Cleos regurgitating the same rubbish to Bill juniors regarding everyone else being to blame and the inadequate resources 'spent on education' etc etc etc.. Good like trying to educate an 11 year old who has just had a baby.

Edited February 17, 2010 by Booyah

[Marilyn. 340]

I am confused because I don't see anywhere in the article that the parents are not being financially responsible for the child and the baby or that they are currently on welfare or something

so I am not sure how exactly you are paying for anything...

good gravy.. now this kid is going to grow up a criminal....

[Ali G. 37]

and someone else might want restitution by chopping off the ####### of the father, yet someone else by putting the baby into adoption but so what? Aside from beating your chest and feeling good what would you actually achieve with your 'solution'? #### all. You have no right to restitution BY. You personally have lost nothing, you are simply a responsible member of society and as such you bear the responsibility of helping those who make mistakes as well as enjoying the freedoms that such that society bestows on us. You BY, are lucky, as am I because we are not the ones who are facing the consequences of these incredibly bad choices beyond a few cents out of our taxes. Quite frankly, that's a pretty good deal in my book.

One way or another we will pay, be it financially or be it from the cost of crime.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

you do now that if this child and her baby would be taken from their parents you would end up paying for it because they more then likely would go into the foster care system

BY doesn't think that far ahead. Its part of his entertainment appeal.

His next genius solution will probably involve the baby being pushed back inside the mother.

[Ali G. 37]

I am confused because I don't see anywhere in the article that the parents are not being financially responsible for the child and the baby or that they are currently on welfare or something

so I am not sure how exactly you are paying for anything...

good gravy.. now this kid is going to grow up a criminal....

Funny how you like to quote silly figures about teenagers in the 50's yet refuse to acknowledge recent studies, rather than simple stats, regarding the odds being greatly stacked against teen mothers and yes the four fold chance of behavioral problems.

Edited February 17, 2010 by Booyah

[Peikko 1,575]

That's because those with left wing views like yourself (please don't deny it) are all for folks like myself, working like a fool, while the lower class gets to utilize my hard earned tax for their own benefit. I still have the article where the professor in the UK, quit working because it was more profitable to be on the dole and raise their tenth kid.

Considering I pay more than my fair share in tax, I deserve to have some say on where my taxes should go and where they should not. Funding losers on the dole having babies is totally unacceptable. Funding a 11 year old child having their own child is grounds for violence. Unfortunately for me, once this kid grows up and is eventually a perpetrator of crime, geriatric Cleo will blame it on socioeconomics and people like myself for apparently being too greedy. And the cycle of crime, poverty and blame continues; only to have Cleo juniors regurgitating the same rubbish to Bill juniors regarding everyone else being to blame. Lets not forget the ' not enough being spent on education' etc etc etc..

You do have some say in where your taxes go, you are enfranchised (well, presuming you are a US citizen of course). No one gets to give the IRS detailed instructions as to how their taxes should be spent - that would be prohibitively expensive as well as quite against the letter and spirit of democracy but none the less, when you vote you are effectively making choices as to how your taxes will be raised and spent. You do not pay more than your fair share, unless you are making voluntary contributions, are you?

Oh, and more misinformation BY, reading between the lines again? You really do need to learn to either do that properly, so that you reach informed conclusions or simply stop doing it because you are ####### at it.

[Ali G. 37]

BY doesn't think that far ahead. Its part of his entertainment appeal.

His next genius solution will probably involve the baby being pushed back inside the mother.

Surely anything I suggest is better than.. oh wait .. you have not suggested anything.

[Marilyn. 340]

I am not refusing to acknowledge anything.. but find it interesting that the facts/statistics only count when you post them...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So why should I literally pay, one way or another, for the negligent or poor choices of someone else?

I have never made a choice in my life that would cause somebody else to suffer because of it, directly or not.

Because in a society there is a never ending plate of $hit sandwiches, everyone has to take a bite.

Don't like it - go live in a fvcking mountain cabin.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Surely anything I suggest is better than.. oh wait .. you have not suggested anything.

Are you by any chance related to ####### Dastardly? If you are then I have some homemade rockets I'd like to sell you.