Girl, 11, Gives Birth to Baby Boy

[Peikko 1,575]

This is a forum pikey, believe it or not, a place where people tend to discuss issues or topics of personal interest. Amazing! What's laughable is when you or your ilk on here jump into threads that are of no interest to you and then attempt to downplay its significance. Just in case you have not noticed, when you create topics of interest to yourself that are of negligible interest to me, I don't waste time telling you how silly your thread or view is. If you want to discuss this situation and the solution, stick by. If you prefer to resort to tired old broad-brush statements, I highly recommend that you click on the 'off-Topic' link above.

PS Such issues concern me because for the time being I live here and certainly do not want the US to turn into the UK.

You want to be taken seriously and yet you throw out these childish taunts about the UK? How silly you are BY.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

This is a forum pikey, believe it or not, a place where people tend to discuss issues or topics of personal interest. Amazing! What's laughable is when you or your ilk on here jump into threads that are of no interest to you and then attempt to downplay its significance. Just in case you have not noticed, when you create topics of interest to yourself that are of negligible interest to me, I don't waste time telling you how silly your thread or view is. If you want to discuss this situation and the solution, stick by. If you prefer to resort to tired old broad-brush statements, I highly recommend that you click on the 'off-Topic' link above.

PS Such issues concern me because for the time being I live here and certainly do not want the US to turn into the UK.

Yes - its a forum, BY. And its my prerogative as a forum participant to laugh at you and to ridicule your ideas.

- see this?

This is me laughing at you.

[Ali G. 37]

Trouble is, if you do mirco manage kids, they are more likely to do the exact opposite of the desired behaviour

Is that not what I too mentioned above?

Rather than trying to be the child's best friend, parents need to start acting like the adult many kids desperately need. Actually, just the other day I was watching the nightly news and there was a segment regarding teens and drug use. A number of them as adults stated that had their parents been more of a parent figure than trying to please them or allowing them to do as they please, it would probably have prevented them from abusing drugs and alcohol.

[Peikko 1,575]

Is that not what I too mentioned above?

Rather than trying to be the child's best friend, parents need to start acting like the adult many kids desperately need. Actually, just the other day I was watching the nightly news and there was a segment regarding teens and drug use. A number of them as adults stated that had their parents been more of a parent figure than trying to please them or allowing them to do as they please, it would probably have prevented them from abusing drugs and alcohol.

You said that micro managing is not good parenting, true, but then you also said that parents should be punished if their kids get pregnant and that the threat of jail should be enough to make sure the parent kept tabs on their child. I am telling you, as a mother of an eleven year old YOU CANT KEEP TABS ON AN ELEVEN YEAR OLD UNLESS YOU MICROMANAGE THEM. That's reality.

I agree that no parent should be the child's best friend, this is a problem but we have NO EVIDENCE that this is what occurred in the case of the 11 year old and even if that is the case, JAILING OR FINING THE PARENTS WILL NOT CHANGE THEM INTO BETTER PARENTS.

Edited February 17, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[Ali G. 37]

Yes - its a forum, BY. And its my prerogative as a forum participant to laugh at you and to ridicule your ideas.

- see this?

This is me laughing at you.

Is that supposed to offend me? You are going to have to try a hell of a lot better than that. Most people who have challenged you on here know the second you are pressed for details, you crumble like a sand castle. Then just as quickly resort to using wit or insults to try to get the person, which also fails. Your lack of substance and depth regarding pretty much every issue is why you are so easy to own. All someone needs to do is press you for details and then you are a goner.

I'll leave you to scanning the threads to attack people on your sh-t list. Regardless of opinion or stance, this thread is for those open to a discussion.

Edited February 17, 2010 by Booyah

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You want to be taken seriously and yet you throw out these childish taunts about the UK? How silly you are BY.

Oh I don't know - maybe he has a point.

Although I'm having a problem figuring out what that point is. According to him, one day the UK is to be commended for being in all ways better than the US, on another - the UK is a model of derision for all that the US should not be.

Its similar to that rant of his about how life was so much better back in the 1950s than it is today - where we see social collapse all over the place and a general degeneration of morality and parenting skills. Then again, it is 2010 and such things might have been acceptable in the neanderthal past, but because kids these days have unparalleled access to information and education there is simply no excuse for any misbehaviour.

Maybe BY is bipolar...

[Peikko 1,575]

Drug addicts are not the best people to point to look to for good parenting advice btw. They are notoriously incapable of facing problems head on and recognizing that their behaviour is the problem, not the negligence of their parents.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Is that supposed to offend me? You are going to have to try a hell of a lot better than that. Most people who have challenged you on here know the second you are pressed for details, you crumble like a sand castle. Then just as quickly report to using wit or insults to try to get the person. Your lack of substance and depth regarding pretty much every issue is why you are so easy to own.

I'll leave you too scanning the threads to attack people on your sh-t list.

Is it supposed to offend you? You're a smart boy, you figure it out

BTW this is an interesting thread to talk about "substance" and "detail" when your entire opinion relies on the absence of either of those things.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Regardless of opinion or stance, this thread is for those open to a discussion.

No it isn't. There's only you and your steadfast belief that the parents must be jailed, beaten up and buggered for abusing their 11 year old, and everyone who disagrees with you about parenting - who just coincidentally (generally speaking) happen to be the same people who are applauding the 11 year old having a baby and yet who also are pro-abortion.

[Ali G. 37]

Is it supposed to offend you? You're a smart boy, you figure it out

Being that you major in some sort of field in literature, I am certain you understand the notion of a rhetorical question.

BTW this is an interesting thread to talk about "substance" and "detail" when your entire opinion relies on the absence of either of those things.

Easy with the jokes today.. I think we established a long time ago that no matter what evidence is posted, it will never be sufficient to meet your 'standards'. Ultimately, will never be any match for an opinion set in stone. Yes, that would be your opinion.

Edited February 17, 2010 by Booyah

[Peikko 1,575]

Being that you major in some sort of field in literature, I am certain you understand the notion of a rhetorical question.

Easy with the jokes today.. I think we established a long time ago that no matter what evidence is posted, it will never be sufficient to meet your 'standards'. Ultimately, will never be any match for an opinion set in stone. Yes, that would be your opinion.

Is this the new topic?

[Ali G. 37]

No it isn't. There's only you and your steadfast belief that the parents must be jailed, beaten up and buggered for abusing their 11 year old, and everyone who disagrees with you about parenting - who just coincidentally (generally speaking) happen to be the same people who are applauding the 11 year old having a baby and yet who also are pro-abortion.

My opinion on addressing this situation, along with potentially preventing new cases, is sure as hell better than any broad-brush 'who cares.. nothing new here as it has happened before' response.

Is this the new topic?

Edited February 17, 2010 by Booyah

[Peikko 1,575]

My opinion on addressing this situation, along with potentially preventing new cases, is sure as hell better than any broad-brush 'who cares?.. nothing new here as it has happened before' response.

No, quite frankly it isn't. Your ideological ranting 'solution' would make matters worse for all involved and would certainly not act as any sort of deterrent. Your 'solutions' would also cost more.

Addressing the reasons why these things happen is the only way to move forward. These things do not happen simply because parent's are not micromanaging their children.

Sadly, sometimes mistakes have really bad consequences and it is not going to be possible to simply eliminate mistakes.

Not to mention that no one has put forward that particular response.

Edited February 17, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[Ali G. 37]

No, quite frankly it isn't. Your ideological ranting 'solution' would make matters worse for all involved and would certainly not act as any sort of deterrent. Your 'solutions' would also cost more. Addressing the reasons why these things happen is the only way to move forward these things do not happen simply because parent's are not micromanaging their children.

Not to mention that no one has put forward that particular response.

As tends to be the case with such discussions, fell free to actually discuss what the ideal solution is in your opinion. You guys seem to have a knack for discrediting any and every solution but always fail to offer this magical solution of your own; one that I am apparently oblivious to.

Edit: I want a solution that does not involve me or anybody else unwillingly paying for it, that includes the prospect of crime from such a child.

Edited February 17, 2010 by Booyah

[Marilyn. 340]

you do now that if this child and her baby would be taken from their parents you would end up paying for it because they more then likely would go into the foster care system