Girl, 11, Gives Birth to Baby Boy

[Peikko 1,575]

No Cleo, I just read between the lines and through the bullcrap. Remember we were convicts after all, therefore, we have an innate sixth sense regarding BS.

No, quite clearly you can't read between the lines because what you posted is nothing like my opinion on these matters.

[Ali G. 37]

I could be wrong but no one in this thread has said it is ok for an 11 year old to have a child.. we are just saying that punishing the parents is not going to do any good in this situation

So the best thing to do is just sit there and be supportive of this parent and their child's child then?

With this attitude towards choice, it's no wonder the country is where it is.

[Peikko 1,575]

I could be wrong but no one in this thread has said it is ok for an 11 year old to have a child.. we are just saying that punishing the parents is not going to do any good in this situation

That's about it. Punishing the parents is not going to change what has happened, nor improve the situation moving forward. As for having a deterrent effect, well, as I said, there is no cause/effect correlation so deterrence is simply not applicable in this situation.

[Ali G. 37]

No, quite clearly you can't read between the lines because what you posted is nothing like my opinion on these matters.

That comment regarding abortion was generally speaking, it wasn't solely aimed at your responses.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That comment regarding abortion was generally speaking, it wasn't solely aimed at your responses.

Generally speaking, who are these very same people who are congratulating the 11 year old having the baby, but who also vehemently support abortion?

[Peikko 1,575]

That comment regarding abortion was generally speaking, it wasn't solely aimed at your responses.

I don't advocate abortion and I am not advocating 11 year olds having children. I believe abortion should be available legally and that any child who becomes pregnant should be treated without prejudice.

Edited February 17, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[Ali G. 37]

That's about it. Punishing the parents is not going to change what has happened, nor improve the situation moving forward. As for having a deterrent effect, well, as I said, there is no cause/effect correlation so deterrence is simply not applicable in this situation.

Nor did I say it would, but don't turn around in other threads and blame socioeconomics or capitalism when teenagers and adults from such backgrounds resort to crime.

I don't know about yourself but the threat of a jail sentence or huge fine would ensure I keep tabs on the whereabouts of my children. There is a reason why such legislation is needed. Things that were once common sense, now have to be legislated against to ensure they happen. Numerous faux adults in 2010 don't seem to grasp simple concepts that even a primitive animal comprehends, like the need to look out for their offspring.

Edited February 17, 2010 by Booyah

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Somewhere in the world, someone has done something bad. It doesn't matter what it is, what the circumstances are, who did it or why - but when Boo-Yah is in town, punishment must be meted out (preferably at the end of a big stick).

[Peikko 1,575]

Nor did I say it would, but don't turn around in other threads and blame socioeconomics or capitalism when teenagers and adults from such situations resort to crime.

I don't know about yourself but the threat of a jail sentence or huge fine would ensure I keep tabs on the whereabouts of a 11 year old. Things that were once common sense, now have to be legislated against to ensure they happen. Even a primitive animal recognizes the need to look out for their child.

I have an 11 year old BY, and I don't know where he is or what he is doing 100% of the time. I would expect to be held responsible should he beat someone up, damage property or otherwise engage in criminal behaviour but I don't micro manage his behaviour simply because I know that could happen because I also know that he has to learn to manage on his own and learn from mistakes. I am hopeful that his mistakes will not be criminal, but I do not know that they will not be, how could I?

That said, should he have sex with an 11 year old girl, I am not sure that he would be guilty of any kind of crime. He would of course be responsible for his actions, even though he would be unlikely to know what those responsibilities were at that age.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If he were BY's kid, he'd have a tracking chip implanted under the skin and a black helicopter shadowing him where-ever he goes.

[Peikko 1,575]

Trouble is, if you do mirco manage kids, they are more likely to do the exact opposite of the desired behaviour

[Peikko 1,575]

I don't really know how this 11 year old got to be pregnant, or if the kids parents were in any way negligent in their upbringing of the child. The action that I would wish to be taken would be for both the parents and the child to be offered counseling to work out what went wrong and why and implement strategies to prevent something like that happening again, not only to the child, but the child of the child. Obviously something went wrong, I don't believe it is normal and natural for an 11 year old to have children. Quite frankly, I can't imagine my 11 year old in that position, he's not fit to be in sole charge of a pet, let alone his own child

Edited February 17, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Clearly the threat of jail or being beated with a stick is enough to keep a child on the straight and narrow.

[Ali G. 37]

Somewhere in the world, someone has done something bad. It doesn't matter what it is, what the circumstances are, who did it or why - but when Boo-Yah is in town, punishment must be meted out (preferably at the end of a big stick).

This is a forum pikey, believe it or not, a place where people tend to discuss issues or topics of personal interest. Amazing! What's laughable is when you or your ilk on here jump into threads that are of no interest to you and then attempt to downplay its significance. Just in case you have not noticed, when you create topics of interest to yourself that are of negligible interest to me, I don't waste time telling you how silly your thread or view is. If you want to discuss this situation and the solution, stick by. If you prefer to resort to tired old broad-brush statements, I highly recommend that you click on the 'off-Topic' link above.

PS Such issues concern me because for the time being I live here and certainly do not want the US to turn into the UK.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't really know how this 11 year old got to be pregnant, or if the kids parents were in any way negligent in their upbringing of the child. The action that I would wish to be taken would be for both the parents and the child to be offered counseling to work out what went wrong and why and implement strategies to prevent something like that happening again, not only to the child, but the child of the child. Obviously something went wrong.

Counselling = no

Big stick = yes

Both kids should be put into care, and the parents shackled to a scaffold so that the general public can jeer and throw rotten fruit at them. Followed by a stiff double digit prison sentence at a Federal "pound me in the @ss" prison. And not at one of those resort prisons either - where they get cable TV (oh the outrage!), but that supermax place where they put the 19th 9/11 hijacker.