Police: Ariz. girl escapes virtual prison in home

[Peikko 1,575]

As to your original question, yes, my original comment was made somewhat facaetiously, but the 'one parent families lead to disaster in society' stories are no less so. The fact of the parent being a good parent is what matters most to the well being of children, not how many are available.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Concerning the matter of my intelligence or lack thereof - what you believe about it is of zero interest to me.

Regarding your assertion that 'single parent families' add to the problems of society, explain that statement in a way that makes some kind of sense. Either being a single parent is intrinsicually a problem, in which case all single parents fail their children, or for some reason there is more focus on the failure of single parents which leads to this erroneous belief that being a single parent is necessarily a threat to society if I accept that society is indeed under some kind of threat, which is a dubious statment at best.

Now, I konw of lots of single parents who have been not only adequate parents, but extremely successful and good ones, the notion that all single parents fail their children simply can't be true. The only true statement one can make is that there are some parents who are not adequate to the task of bringing up children. These people may be single parents, or they may be one part of a couple or they might be both parts of a couple the one common factor though, is that they are ####### parents, period.

Then why is it the first thing you mentioned?

[Peikko 1,575]

Your mention of poor and rich confused me. I agree that having my husband here adds non-monetary resources to our household, resources that one person, by themselves, cannot provide. That was my entire point.

I'm sure that, though I didn't even know it, I meant exactly what you said about widows and widowers. I'm sure I meant I was failing my daughter and being selfish when I was raising my daughter alone.

And my point is, so what? That implies that those resources are essential to the upbringing of healthy happy children. They are not. A single parent can provide everything that is needed and more to bringing up children. Yes, it's not an easy route for anyone to take, and it's something that if one can share it with someone else is wonderful, but it is entirely possible to do, and is done on many, many occaisions.

Then why is it the first thing you mentioned?

Because it's the first thing mentioned in the post I was responding to, as if I was supposed to feel a particular way because of that statement. I don't. I am making that clear.

[GabiandVi 34]

The fact is that in most instances that people become single parent families, that is the best situation for that family to be in, regardless of whether a different adult figure providing extra help might or might not lead to a better situation for these people.

Like I've said, I don't espouse the theory that single parents are the scourge of society, but I don't think that those that do are referring to families that started out as two-parent families. I'm pretty sure it is more about teenage mothers and the rise in women having children with multiple partners who never were and never will contribute much to the raising of the children.

I agree that in many cases seperation from the other parent is the best solution. And single parents, particularly single mothers of children of deadbeat dads have all my sympathy and any support I'm capable of offering.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

And my point is, so what? That implies that those resources are essential to the upbringing of healthy happy children. They are not. A single parent can provide everything that is needed and more to bringing up children. Yes, it's not an easy route for anyone to take, and it's something that if one can share it with someone else is wonderful, but it is entirely possible to do, and is done on many, many occaisions.

How many kids you got? Oh yeah.........................................NONE! Please teach me some more.

[Peikko 1,575]

How many kids you got? Oh yeah.........................................NONE! Please teach me some more.

Oh dear, that's your biggest fail statement ever.

[Peikko 1,575]

Like I've said, I don't espouse the theory that single parents are the scourge of society, but I don't think that those that do are referring to families that started out as two-parent families. I'm pretty sure it is more about teenage mothers and the rise in women having children with multiple partners who never were and never will contribute much to the raising of the children.

I agree that in many cases seperation from the other parent is the best solution. And single parents, particularly single mothers of children of deadbeat dads have all my sympathy and any support I'm capable of offering.

How common is that in reality? I don't know anyone like that at all - and I don't live in a gated community and I do have a kid in elementary school so you would have though that if it was so common I would come across it. If these are the people that are being referred to, then clearly this 'problem' needs to be dealt with exactly for what it is, and not lumped in with other single parents.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Ok. I think I know. It's about leverage rather how the child turns up to be. Leverage whereas it's more difficult to raise children while being a single parent, and whereas, having another parent will have better schedules.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Oh dear, that's your biggest fail statement ever.

Forgive me, I forgot you were well read.

[Peikko 1,575]

Forgive me, I forgot you were well read.

No, you thought it was relevant that I had no children - even though I do.

[GabiandVi 34]

Ok. I think I know. It's about leverage rather how the child turns up to be. Leverage whereas it's more difficult to raise children while being a single parent, and whereas, having another parent will have better schedules.

That's NOT what it's about in my household. What it's about here would take an entire website to explain, if it even could be explained, which it can't. It would also require going into detail that is no one's business but our own, and that no one else would be interested in. I can only tell you that being a single mom is more difficult than you can imagine and you can never understand unless you find yourself in that situation. My single-mom friends and I discuss it all the time when we lean on each other for support. My friends are doing the best they can do, and that's d*mn good.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

No, you thought it was relevant that I had no children - even though I do.

Step?

[GabiandVi 34]

How common is that in reality? I don't know anyone like that at all - and I don't live in a gated community and I do have a kid in elementary school so you would have though that if it was so common I would come across it. If these are the people that are being referred to, then clearly this 'problem' needs to be dealt with exactly for what it is, and not lumped in with other single parents.

Okay. I think I see where you are coming from now.

The VAST majority of the children I teach come from such households. In this current school I have fewer pregnant students than I've had in previous schools, but even so, I have students who have more than one child and by different partners. And my boys (15 years old) like to brag about how many children they have. This is VERY common in the world I live in. Not in my circles, I'll admit.

I don't know if this is common in other areas of the US. I've only taught in public schools here, but it is more the norm among my students than the exception. This is no exaggeration. I mentioned in a previous thread, and people were very offended though I meant no offense, I'm coming to realize that most people out there in VJ land and (hopefully) elsewhere have no clue about the reality that exists in places like where my school exists. That is a realization that gives me hope.

[Niels Bohr 72]

These are issues that are better dealt case by case.

[GabiandVi 34]

Okay. I think I see where you are coming from now.

The VAST majority of the children I teach come from such households. In this current school I have fewer pregnant students than I've had in previous schools, but even so, I have students who have more than one child and by different partners. And my boys (15 years old) like to brag about how many children they have. This is VERY common in the world I live in. Not in my circles, I'll admit.

I don't know if this is common in other areas of the US. I've only taught in public schools here, but it is more the norm among my students than the exception. This is no exaggeration. I mentioned in a previous thread, and people were very offended though I meant no offense, I'm coming to realize that most people out there in VJ land and (hopefully) elsewhere have no clue about the reality that exists in places like where my school exists. That is a realization that gives me hope.

I want to clarify that I wish more people were aware of the reality that exists in areas like where I live, but the fact that they don't gives me hope that it will be possible to raise my daughter in this country if I just get out of this area and not go to another area like it. It gives me hope that this is not the norm in the country, only in my area and other areas like it. The thing that makes me wonder if it is more prevalent than some people realize is the culture we see on TV and referred to in songs. For example, "baby daddy" is not just used in my area, but that's the world that phrase comes from. Yet this term is so common that its conotation was understood in China by my English-speaking friends.