Ukrainian Election Results

[slim 1,530]

Ula will not make Viktor a happy camper and rollover for him.

I think she'd make a happy camper out of anyone she rolled over for. Hands down, she's the hottest politician out there. And for some reason, I get the vibe that Putin's been hittin' that since their little meeting.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

This sh!t's just too funny to read

I'm not even going to delve into how that statement is wrong on so many levels and how's it's exactly the same sh!t that's been going around for 19 years now.

Exactly, the Russians are already in Sevastopol and Odessa. Their lease is up pretty soon, but I would not be surprised to see it extended, but how is that giving up anything that isn't already existing?

I think she'd make a happy camper out of anyone she rolled over for. Hands down, she's the hottest politician out there. And for some reason, I get the vibe that Putin's been hittin' that since their little meeting.

She is proff women have a place in politics.

[slim 1,530]

She is proff women have a place in politics.

She'll always have a place here.

[Brad and Vika 129]

I am not surprised, given recent events and things that happened. However, if you told me 5 years ago that in 5 years all the guys and gals that just got elected would be out and all the guys and gals that just got tossed would be back, I would have said you were out of your mind!!!! If you had told me Yulia would be pro-Russian, or even neutral, I would have said you were crazy!

Hrvnia still holding at about 8.2 on the web. Any one know the stree exchange rate?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Yanukovich is nothing more than a criminal and Kremlin lapdog.

Long live Western Ukraine !

[Martyshk 137]

Yanukovich is nothing more than a criminal and Kremlin lapdog.

Long live Western Ukraine !

Let's not do this please

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Let's not do this please

This thread is about the election results in Ukraine yes ? So let's not cut the testicles from this thread please. Let's keep it "democratic" and truthful here. Yanukovych would sell his mother ...if he ever had one, and the Crim also to Russia if Putin paid him enough for it. Tsar Putin the Derzheva *expletive goes here, has already said in public that he doesn't think of Ukraine as a real country. No Ukrainian needs to be told by the Kremlin or the KGB / FSB run Russian Orthodox Church how to run their lives. Ukraine has suffered enough already at the hands of the Kremlin...for the last 400+ years. Ukraine has her own church, language, history, culture and sovereign borders. She does not to be told what to do by a Russian government who lies about it's past, it's history, and the genocide the Kremlin brought upon the people of the Ukraine during the Holodomor.

[Martyshk 137]

This thread is about the election results in Ukraine yes ? So let's not cut the testicles from this thread please. Let's keep it "democratic" and truthful here. Yanukovych would sell his mother ...if he ever had one, and the Crim also to Russia if Putin paid him enough for it. Tsar Putin the Derzheva *expletive goes here, has already said in public that he doesn't think of Ukraine as a real country. No Ukrainian needs to be told by the Kremlin or the KGB / FSB run Russian Orthodox Church how to run their lives. Ukraine has suffered enough already at the hands of the Kremlin...for the last 400+ years. Ukraine has her own church, language, history, culture and sovereign borders. She does not to be told what to do by a Russian government who lies about it's past, it's history, and the genocide the Kremlin brought upon the people of the Ukraine during the Holodomor.

Yes, please, I welcome everyone who has not lived in Ukraine or doesn't have a wife from Ukraine to come here and educate others on HOW it's like there.

I'd like to hear it, personally, since I have no effing idea about the world outside of Philly too, and I would like to take a lecture from people who get their information from Fox News.

[Brad and Vika 129]

Yes, please, I welcome everyone who has not lived in Ukraine or doesn't have a wife from Ukraine to come here and educate others on HOW it's like there.

I'd like to hear it, personally, since I have no effing idea about the world outside of Philly too, and I would like to take a lecture from people who get their information from Fox News.

All hostility aside Mapt, it must be tough having a place in both cultures. My wife is no fan of Yanukovych, but being from Eastern Ukraine, she does not have lots of hostility towards Russia either. She even laughed when I irritated her Russian friend last New Year's Eve by calling Medvedev a dwarf during his congratulatory speech I tend to take a pro-US position at times just because I represent my "tribe" (although I find some of our goofy policies hard to defend). You must see good and bad both directions, and I would guess that makes it hard to call either side completely right or wrong.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Yanukovich is nothing more than a criminal and Kremlin lapdog.

Long live Western Ukraine !

Yes, please do not.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

This thread is about the election results in Ukraine yes ? So let's not cut the testicles from this thread please. Let's keep it "democratic" and truthful here. Yanukovych would sell his mother ...if he ever had one, and the Crim also to Russia if Putin paid him enough for it. Tsar Putin the Derzheva *expletive goes here, has already said in public that he doesn't think of Ukraine as a real country. No Ukrainian needs to be told by the Kremlin or the KGB / FSB run Russian Orthodox Church how to run their lives. Ukraine has suffered enough already at the hands of the Kremlin...for the last 400+ years. Ukraine has her own church, language, history, culture and sovereign borders. She does not to be told what to do by a Russian government who lies about it's past, it's history, and the genocide the Kremlin brought upon the people of the Ukraine during the Holodomor.

I lived in Ukraine before the Revolution and people in Lviv were pretty friendly to people from Kharkov. Then all of a sudden there was this split which was far more manufactured than real, (if you ask me, and I was there to observe it as an obhective "outsider" the whole Orange Revolution was a bought and paid for event) and suddenly the people in Eastern Ukraine found out that they were the "enemy" of people in western Ukraine and people in Western Ukraine even began refusinf service to people speaking Russian. It is just so much manufactured BS! Most people in eastern Ukraine have never been to western Ukraine. I am not a fan of Yanukovich and was very glad he was voted out...but Yushenko never amounted to anything and Yuila is just a scarey flip-flopper who now likes the Russians and hated them before. They are all self interested politicians. The PEOPLE of Ukraine are good and I really do not hold with trying to drive a wedge in that doesn't exist unless we invent it.

[visaveteran 1]

This type of thread again demonstrates, to me, the wrongness of merging the Ukraine and Belarus with the Russian forum. Apples and oranges (no pun intended). East Ukraine versus west Ukraine. Russia claims the Crimea. Belarus supports west Ukraine. Maybe we need a score card?

For me it's all a big, "Who cares?"

[Martyshk 137]

All hostility aside Mapt, it must be tough having a place in both cultures. My wife is no fan of Yanukovych, but being from Eastern Ukraine, she does not have lots of hostility towards Russia either. She even laughed when I irritated her Russian friend last New Year's Eve by calling Medvedev a dwarf during his congratulatory speech I tend to take a pro-US position at times just because I represent my "tribe" (although I find some of our goofy policies hard to defend). You must see good and bad both directions, and I would guess that makes it hard to call either side completely right or wrong.

Brad, I get pissy and defensive when people with NO clue start "defending" poor "oppressed" Ukraine from Mother Russia.

Just like your wife being from Eastern Ukraine, I am from Crimea, and you know exactly what that entails. When 98% of the population of the region is Russian speaking, the "oppression" actually goes the other way.

So on and so forth.

There's no pro-US position to take here, however, Brad. Yes, people think it'd be nice and dandy if Ukraine was America's ally in the eastern Europe, but it really can't happen. Not just yet. Can't pretend that history between Russia and Ukraine does not exist.

Western Ukraine has this 'hurt pride feeling' trend, that stems from being invaded and, actually, oppressed by different countries all the time. And that is where the problem lies. Nowadays, Ukraine is definitively divided into three distinct regions: East, West, Crimea. Sooner or later this will become more apparent and something will happen to remedy that split in the country.

OK. Rant over.

[Brad and Vika 129]

There's no pro-US position to take here, however, Brad. Yes, people think it'd be nice and dandy if Ukraine was America's ally in the eastern Europe, but it really can't happen. Not just yet. Can't pretend that history between Russia and Ukraine does not exist.

OK. Rant over.

I agree. My point had nothing to do with Ukraine really. What I meant was that on MOST issues the pro-US position seems pretty clear to me - meaning that I can't see the other side clearly sometimes. You are blessed in that you can see all of it I think (in this case the pro-Russian and nationalist Ukrainian sides). I imagine that you are in the same spot sometimes as my wife, and living here allows you to see the Western view and the Eastern one too. It makes it tough for Vika to say one is right and the other wrong. She has the same issue with Ukraine - doesn't like the incoming President, didn't like the outgoing President, and also doesn't want Russia to interfere. She also sees the positives - opening of the border after the Orange Revolution, but the oil problems because relations with Russia are damaged. There is good and bad on both sides.

[Martyshk 137]

I imagine that you are in the same spot sometimes as my wife, and living here allows you to see the Western view and the Eastern one too. It makes it tough for Vika to say one is right and the other wrong.

Well, been here for a while, so I tend to lean more to ours (pro-U.S.) point of view here and there. Being born in Crimea, it's much harder being torn between the "Russian (East Ukraine & Crimea)" and "Ukranian (West)" point of view and try to take sides. For example, my first language is Russian, yet I grew up in Ukraine and Ukrainian is my second language (which makes English my third)... this is all too convoluted.

Edited February 15, 2010 by Мартышк+Мартышка