Peyton One of the Greats? Not Quite

[spookyturtle 9,465]

9-9 in the playoffs. Hardly a winner. And remember, in the playoffs you lose, you go home.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

9-9 in the playoffs. Hardly a winner. And remember, in the playoffs you lose, you go home.

Many a player would kill for 18 play off games... And you have to go back 9 years to get to a regular season where the Colt's weren't #1 or 2 in their division.

I am a poor put upon Seahawk fan, I know frustration as surely as anyone, but the Colt's with Manning have been hugely successful.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

This is the quote from your post. Read the parts in bold. Now tell me what a winner he is.

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Jim Irsay became Owner and Chief Executive Officer in 1997, and Bill Polian was named president on

December 22, 1997, one day after the club finished a 3-13 season. Jim Mora succeeded Infante as head coach on January 12, 1998. The Colts were 3-13 in 1998. RB-Marshall Faulk’s 2,227 scrimmage yards set a club seasonal mark, while QB-Peyton Manning (326-575-3,739, 26 TDs) set NFL rookie records in every passing category.

At 13-3 in 1999, the Colts produced an NFL-record 10-game one-season turnaround. The club won eleven straight games, tying then the franchise record achieved in 1964 and 1975-76. In winning the division title, Manning, RB-Edgerrin James and WR-Marvin Harrison earned Pro Bowl honors, while K-Mike Vanderjagt won the NFL scoring title. The club earned its first playoff game in Indianapolis, but fell to Tennessee, 19-16.

The Colts were 10-6 in 2000, but lost in overtime at Miami, 23-17, in the Wild Card round. The back-to-back 10+-victory seasons were a first for the club since 1976-77. Manning (4,413) and James (1,709, 2,303) won the NFL passing, rushing and scrimmage yards titles.

The Colts were 6-10 in 2001, but Manning (4,131) and Harrison (109) had outstanding yardage and reception seasons.

Tony Dungy succeeded Mora as head coach on January 22, 2002. In 2002, Dungy led the Colts to a 10-6 record before losing in the Wild Card round at the New York Jets, 41-0. Manning became the first NFL player with four consecutive 4,000+ seasons, while Harrison set the NFL seasonal record with 143 receptions and became the only NFL player with 100+ receptions in four consecutive seasons.

In 2003, the Colts were 12-4, won the AFC South and advanced to the AFC Championship Game, falling at New England, 24-14. Manning produced his fifth consecutive 4,000+ season, while Vanderjagt set an NFL record with 41 consecutive field goals, including all 37 attempts in 2003.

Dungy led the Colts to a 12-4 mark and the AFC South title in 2004. Manning set NFL seasonal records with 49 touchdown passes (since broken) and a 121.1 rating, while the club set seasonal-bests with 522 points and 6,475 net yards. The Colts topped Denver, 49-24, in the Wild Card round before losing at New England, 20-3.

In 2005, Dungy directed the Colts to a 14-2 record, the franchise record for seasonal wins. The club became then only the fourth in NFL history to earn a 13-0 start. The club fell in the Divisional Playoffs to Pittsburgh, 21-18. Dungy earned his 100th career and 100th regular season victories in 2005, while the Colts passed 400 wins in franchise history.

In 2006, the Colts posted a 12-4 record and captured the fourth world championship in franchise history with a 29-17 win over Chicago in Super Bowl XLI in Miami Gardens, Fla. The club defeated Chicago after besting three prior playoffs foes, Kansas City (23-8), Baltimore (15-6) and New England (38-34).

In 2007, the Colts finished 13-3, winning a club-record fifth straight division title and becoming the first NFL team with five consecutive seasons with 12+ victories. The club fell in the Divisional Playoffs to San Diego, 28-24.

In 2008, the Colts were 12-4, extending their league mark with six consecutive 12+-victory seasons. The club became the first in NFL history to win at least seven consecutive games in five consecutive seasons. Manning won his third AP NFL MVP award. Indianapolis fell in the Wild Card Playoffs in overtime at San Diego, 23-17.

Jim Caldwell succeeded Dungy as head coach on January 12, 2009. Dungy finished as the only coach in Colts history to post 10+ wins and earn playoff appearances in seven straight seasons.

In 56 years of National Football League competition, the Colts have achieved a 444-406-7 record, including four World Championships and 17 Conference or Divisional titles.

http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=football...amic&id=174

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Jim Caldwell succeeded Dungy as head coach on January 12, 2009. Dungy finished as the only coach in Colts history to post 10+ wins and earn playoff appearances in seven straight seasons.

In 56 years of National Football League competition, the Colts have achieved a 444-406-7 record, including four World Championships and 17 Conference or Divisional titles.

Thanks Peyton!

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

9-9 in the playoffs. Hardly a winner. And remember, in the playoffs you lose, you go home.

His record is close to Jim Kelly's and Kelly is in the HOF. Kelly was 9-8. What's Favre's playoff record? 13-11. Y.A. Tittle never won a championship. Dan Fouts the trigger man in Air Coryell is in the HOF. How do you pick the greatest?

Edited February 9, 2010 by IR5FORMUMSIE

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Thanks Peyton!

So you chose to ignore the parts where they lost the games that mattered? I'll bet he'd trade all of his records for another ring.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

So you chose to ignore the parts where they lost the games that mattered? I'll bet he'd trade all of his records for another ring.

Ask Jim Kelly.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Thanks Peyton!

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Jim Caldwell succeeded Dungy as head coach on January 12, 2009. Dungy finished as the only coach in Colts history to post 10+ wins and earn playoff appearances in seven straight seasons.

In 56 years of National Football League competition, the Colts have achieved a 444-406-7 record, including four World Championships and 17 Conference or Divisional titles.

Again, they made the playoffs 7 straight seasons, but got eliminated in 6 of them.

Ask Jim Kelly.

And Dan Marino too.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

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Jim Caldwell succeeded Dungy as head coach on January 12, 2009. Dungy finished as the only coach in Colts history to post 10+ wins and earn playoff appearances in seven straight seasons.

In 56 years of National Football League competition, the Colts have achieved a 444-406-7 record, including four World Championships and 17 Conference or Divisional titles.

Again, they made the playoffs 7 straight seasons, but got eliminated in 6 of them.

And Dan Marino too.

Shall we even mention Jim Plunkett?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Shall we even mention Jim Plunkett?

Plunkett won two Super Bowls and he's not in the hall of fame.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Plunkett won two Super Bowls and he's not in the hall of fame.

Super Bowl XV MVP. Pats 1st round pick in 1971, Heisman Trophy winner out of Stanford. Beat out Joe Theissman and Archie Manning for it. Traded to 49ers. As Raiders backup replaced Dante Pastorini and later Marc Wilson, led the Raiders to wins in Super Bowl XV and XVIII. Greatest career comeback in NFL history. HOF credentials? Maybe.

[scandal 951]

You guys do realize Spooky is TOTALLY baiting you in this thread.

He's the biggest Peyton fan alive. He just wants to see you sputter and turn red in the face and go "but! but! but!"

[_Simpson_ 250]

And if you wanted to build a championship team, Montana has it over Manning by a country mile. Montana is a winner, Manning isn't. Marino wasn't a winner either. They hold every record in the game, but if I was starting a team today, I wouldn't take either of them.

Well I think part of the problem with Marino was that he wanted to much money, I always wish he would of taken more of a Brady approach. As a result he might of had better athletes around him.

I did just read today though that Manning didnt shake hands with anybody when he left the field after the superbowl, I was disappointed.

Manning does choke and thats a one up for Montana but is this a conversation about players or teams. Montana was surrounded by some of the best to every play the game.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Well I think part of the problem with Marino was that he wanted to much money, I always wish he would of taken more of a Brady approach. As a result he might of had better athletes around him.

I did just read today though that Manning didnt shake hands with anybody when he left the field after the superbowl, I was disappointed.

Manning does choke and thats a one up for Montana but is this a conversation about players or teams. Montana was surrounded by some of the best to every play the game.

I don't think that Manning has been surrounded by poor talent and chumps. He has the best offensive line in the game, he never gets touched. He has never been out with an injury; that's partly due to outstanding protection. He had Marvin Harrison and now has Reggie Wayne, both the cream of the crop. He also had Edggerin James prior to Addai.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

You guys do realize Spooky is TOTALLY baiting you in this thread.

He's the biggest Peyton fan alive. He just wants to see you sputter and turn red in the face and go "but! but! but!"

Manning drives a Toyota.