MEL GIBSON ARRESTED FOR DUI

[one...two...tree 2,762]

The power given to Hollywood is absolutly ridiculous.

There's hardly anyone I detest more than hollyweird liberals.

Mel Gibson is a political anomoly - he is considered ultra-Conservative but also opposed the Iraq War. He's more along the lines of a Pat Buchanan.

BTW.... (this supports your view of him as a lunatic)

In a July 1995 interview with Playboy magazine, Gibson said President Bill Clinton was a "low-level opportunist" because someone was "telling him what to do." He said he thought Clinton and other politicians who had won Rhodes Scholarships were part of a "stealth" trend of Rhodes scholars becoming politicians who were striving for a "new world order." He said this was a form of Marxism and that "Karl had the right idea."[16][17] During the interview, Gibson also said the assassinations (or attempts) of Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan may have been related to actions they took regarding the Federal Reserve; he said his father told him about this theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Gibson

Edited August 2, 2006 by Steven_and_Jinky

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

You should be! Muslims are expected to show the utmost amount of outrage everytime some nutcase does something and calls himself a muslim... by non-muslims I mean...

You should personally stone him!

was mel gibson shooting up a jewish center in washington state too?

[almaty 19]

You should be! Muslims are expected to show the utmost amount of outrage everytime some nutcase does something and calls himself a muslim... by non-muslims I mean...

You should personally stone him!

was mel gibson shooting up a jewish center in washington state too?

nah..he was too drunk to get out of bed

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

people really needs to get over this whole mel gibson thing. He is just an actor. Who cares what he believes or thinks.

Well I for one would be outraged if I was Catholic. Here's this massively rich and famous actor, making a movie about the crucifixion of Jesus, putting on this show of being so spiritual...when really he's an anti-semitic raging lunatic.

I'm not outraged....he doesn't speak for all Catholics, he doesn't speak for me. He's just a guy- flawed like the rest of us. People are just jumping on this bandwagon because of the movie he made.

No one is perfect....and to expect he's not flawed is ridiculous. I really couldn't give a schit what he thinks cos that's his stuff to work out, and it's got nowt to do with me. Because I don't know Mel personally, I'm going to err on the side of caution and accept his statement for truth....he's got an alcoholism problem, and sometimes under alcohol, people say some crazy schit. To call someone a 'lunatic' just cos of a tabloid-esque blurb in the paper is really quite hyperbolic & ignorant, tho.

At the end of the day, it doesn't factor into my grande scheme of life, so I really don't care.

Lisa, you're Catholic?

As am I. Not sure why we as Catholics should be offended because Mel said some stupid things. He is not speaking from an authority role.

He was speaking from a role of authority when he made "Passion of the Christ", a very politically charged movie - which was criticism alleged anti-semitism in its depiction of the jews. Then when drunk he spills his guts and reveals what a lot of people suspect are his true beliefs?

Why should anyone care about his views? Its just as appropriate to ask why should anyone care about his movies either..

[Fandango 1,439]

people really needs to get over this whole mel gibson thing. He is just an actor. Who cares what he believes or thinks.

Well I for one would be outraged if I was Catholic. Here's this massively rich and famous actor, making a movie about the crucifixion of Jesus, putting on this show of being so spiritual...when really he's an anti-semitic raging lunatic.

I'm not outraged....he doesn't speak for all Catholics, he doesn't speak for me. He's just a guy- flawed like the rest of us. People are just jumping on this bandwagon because of the movie he made.

No one is perfect....and to expect he's not flawed is ridiculous. I really couldn't give a schit what he thinks cos that's his stuff to work out, and it's got nowt to do with me. Because I don't know Mel personally, I'm going to err on the side of caution and accept his statement for truth....he's got an alcoholism problem, and sometimes under alcohol, people say some crazy schit. To call someone a 'lunatic' just cos of a tabloid-esque blurb in the paper is really quite hyperbolic & ignorant, tho.

At the end of the day, it doesn't factor into my grande scheme of life, so I really don't care.

The power given to Hollywood is absolutly ridiculous. They are actors. They provide entertainment. You know what if he or anyone else would have come out and made a comment about christians or muslims, no one would care. Seriously people really need to get over it. If it bothers you so much, don't watch his movies.

If an elected official had made these comments, it would be a different story.

Movies aren't just entertainment - they can have a profound effect on people (Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan, for example). Whether it is a sad commentary on our society or not, there are more people who watch movies than read books, and in some societies, books have been burned or banned for being 'dangerous'.

(BTW...Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ made over $800 million worldwide.)

And they're still regular people....get over it

If you want people in the entertainment industry to take accountability for their work based on the sheer numbers it generates, you yourself should take responsibility for taking part in the gaming industry - which to your own admission is a cause of kids being too exposed to violence & stuff/

Physician, heal thyself!

Did I advocate censorship? You read far more into what I post than is there. You're admiration is scaring me.

First of all it's your not you're

Secondly, I never said you advocated censorship...

Thirdly, I don't agree with you saying that movies have a profound effect on society (for the most part, I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule). It's entertainment...nothing more, nothing less. Sure there can be a odd movie here and there that's based somewhat in history that can have a profound effect on someone, but at the end of the day it is just a movie. I felt you were trying to say that since the movies make so much $$$ that it is ok for regular schmoes to hold actors up on a pedestal that they are more 'important' than anyone else...cos lookit! Passion of the Christ made $800mil!!! And I was using sarcasm to draw a parallel to the work you do...based on numbers of the gaming industry, blah de blah. Perhaps I shouldn't have credited you with enough of an intellect to understand what I was saying without having to painfully spell it out here, but I was in a rush this morning.

....furthermore, the fact that Mel Gibson made a movie about Christ matters not to what he said to the cop...as far as the cop issue is concerned. Oh, I'm sure there will be chatter, just like someone here drew a parallel to the movie being anti-semetic (which I don't agree it was, but whatever)...but insomuch as the legal issue...it's superfluous what his last movie grossed. Therefore, IMO A does not lead to Q....and his profession & history in his profession doesn't' factor into me thinking he's a helluva guy and cause me to weigh his political or religious opinions as more valid than anyone else's....which I think was lostinlove's point which you chose to argue...

As to your flippant little snide comment about me 'scaring you'...it's not 'admiration' as you so like to think. I'm in no mood today and I'm quite sure I shouldn't be rising to the occassion here, but whatever! I don't think I appreciate your snide implied accusation here, so you can kiss my azz. You're a sanctimonious blowhard who's as hypocritical as they come, and you've just danced on my last nerve...so just ignore me from here on in.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Movies are an art form. 'Artists' such as they are have political opinions. Certainly those opinions are no more 'important' than those of anyone else, but it certainly gives an insight into their 'work'. Mel Gibson "Passion" was criticised for anti-semitism, he did make anti-semitic comments. Whether he mean't them or not, its hard to argue that it doesn't provide some validation of that when applied to his work.

As to whether its newsworthy, no it isn't - but then why is anyone surprised?

Movie stars are the demigods of our society, ask yourself why people turn to vacuous and flaccid entertainment in lieu of politics and current affairs? Why is it people would rather vote for American Idol than for the President? Why do celebrity news magazines gross millions each year?

[incanada1234 0]

Movies are an art form.

Screw art.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Movies are an art form.

Screw art.

Art can have valid meaning. I say screw vacuous entertainment masquerading as art.

[incanada1234 0]

Movies are an art form.

Screw art.

Art can have valid meaning. I say screw vacuous entertainment masquerading as art.

Well yeah, screw that too.

[Fandango 1,439]

Movies are an art form. 'Artists' such as they are have political opinions. Certainly those opinions are no more 'important' than those of anyone else, but it certainly gives an insight into their 'work'. Mel Gibson "Passion" was criticised for anti-semitism, he did make anti-semitic comments. Whether he mean't them or not, its hard to argue that it doesn't provide some validation of that when applied to his work.

As to whether its newsworthy, no it isn't - but then why is anyone surprised?

Movie stars are the demigods of our society, ask yourself why people turn to vacuous and flaccid entertainment in lieu of politics and current affairs? Why is it people would rather vote for American Idol than for the President? Why do celebrity news magazines gross millions each year?

Well, as I said, I don't think the Passion of the Christ was anti-semitic...I think it's a case of two unrelated things that are wildly coincidental & the second incident (the comments) is validating the first (the movie).

Whether or not Mel himself is anti-semitic is, quite frankly, unimportant to me. I will defend his movie, but not him nor his actions.

I don't think movie starts are demigods...but people will turn to vacuous and flaccid entertainment in lieu of politics because (I'm guessing) it's happy & vacuous & flaccid. Speaking for myself, there's only so much politics that I can stomach...things can be rehashed six ways from Sunday yet nowt changes & you wind up getting exhausted, lol. I am quite politically active & aware, yet sometimes I'd rather watch Friends than watch the 6pm news...how much tragedy and suffering can you hear about in a day? And basically we're impotent to change the world in one fell swoop.

As far as magazines and the like...I don't know the answer...I don't buy them, nor read them. I think it may have to do with some form of escapism from 'normal' life, but that's just a guess.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Movies are an art form. 'Artists' such as they are have political opinions. Certainly those opinions are no more 'important' than those of anyone else, but it certainly gives an insight into their 'work'. Mel Gibson "Passion" was criticised for anti-semitism, he did make anti-semitic comments. Whether he mean't them or not, its hard to argue that it doesn't provide some validation of that when applied to his work.

As to whether its newsworthy, no it isn't - but then why is anyone surprised?

Movie stars are the demigods of our society, ask yourself why people turn to vacuous and flaccid entertainment in lieu of politics and current affairs? Why is it people would rather vote for American Idol than for the President? Why do celebrity news magazines gross millions each year?

Well, as I said, I don't think the Passion of the Christ was anti-semitic...I think it's a case of two unrelated things that are wildly coincidental & the second incident (the comments) is validating the first (the movie).

Whether or not Mel himself is anti-semitic is, quite frankly, unimportant to me. I will defend his movie, but not him nor his actions.

I don't think movie starts are demigods...but people will turn to vacuous and flaccid entertainment in lieu of politics because (I'm guessing) it's happy & vacuous & flaccid. Speaking for myself, there's only so much politics that I can stomach...things can be rehashed six ways from Sunday yet nowt changes & you wind up getting exhausted, lol. I am quite politically active & aware, yet sometimes I'd rather watch Friends than watch the 6pm news...how much tragedy and suffering can you hear about in a day? And basically we're impotent to change the world in one fell swoop.

As far as magazines and the like...I don't know the answer...I don't buy them, nor read them. I think it may have to do with some form of escapism from 'normal' life, but that's just a guess.

I agree with Steve that the "passion" is sadistic in its depiction of christ's crucifixion and the context with which it is framed. As for the treatment of jews - I'm not sure, the Pharises certainly aren't depicted favourably. That's all beside the point of course.

But yes his comments don't necessarily reflect the previous criticisms of the movie - but taken together with his apparent religious background it does suggest that Gibson is a bit of a nutter. And they aren't really important outside of the fact that Mel Gibson is a recognisable media figure and anything he says will likely make it into the press (drunk or not he should know that by now - having been in the 'business' for the last 30 years or so.

[Fandango 1,439]

I agree with Steve that the "passion" is sadistic in its depiction of christ's crucifixion and the context with which it is framed. As for the treatment of jews - I'm not sure, the Pharises certainly aren't depicted favourably. That's all beside the point of course.

But yes his comments don't necessarily reflect the previous criticisms of the movie - but taken together with his apparent religious background it does suggest that Gibson is a bit of a nutter. And they aren't really important outside of the fact that Mel Gibson is a recognisable media figure and anything he says will likely make it into the press (drunk or not he should know that by now - having been in the 'business' for the last 30 years or so.

Go figure...Christ's death wasn't a day at the beach. It's not supposed to have been pleasant. It was a sacrifice of the highest order & Christ's suffering and death is what (in my belief) has saved mankind. So go figure, yeah I'm sure it was sadistic & horrible & about the worst thing you can imagine.

It was a movie based on the Bible of the story of thecrucifiction of Jesus Christ. I can't help but wonder who went to see it expecting something else?

Gibson might well be a nutter - who knows? - but again...I stand by the movie as NOT being anti-semitic & that's the only comment that I'm wanting to clarify.

Edited August 2, 2006 by LisaD

[chri'stina 190]

Movies are an art form.

Screw art.

Art can have valid meaning. I say screw vacuous entertainment masquerading as art.

I've never used the word vacuous myself. Have hardly ever used the word masquerading. Can't you ever write something that sounds dumb??? J/K

I don't always agree with what you write, but I have to say you write it well....too well. Stop it!

Edited August 2, 2006 by stina&suj

[one...two...tree 2,762]

First of all it's your not you're

Secondly, I never said you advocated censorship...

Thirdly, I don't agree with you saying that movies have a profound effect on society (for the most part, I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule). It's entertainment...nothing more, nothing less. Sure there can be a odd movie here and there that's based somewhat in history that can have a profound effect on someone, but at the end of the day it is just a movie. I felt you were trying to say that since the movies make so much $$$ that it is ok for regular schmoes to hold actors up on a pedestal that they are more 'important' than anyone else...cos lookit! Passion of the Christ made $800mil!!! And I was using sarcasm to draw a parallel to the work you do...based on numbers of the gaming industry, blah de blah. Perhaps I shouldn't have credited you with enough of an intellect to understand what I was saying without having to painfully spell it out here, but I was in a rush this morning.

....furthermore, the fact that Mel Gibson made a movie about Christ matters not to what he said to the cop...as far as the cop issue is concerned. Oh, I'm sure there will be chatter, just like someone here drew a parallel to the movie being anti-semetic (which I don't agree it was, but whatever)...but insomuch as the legal issue...it's superfluous what his last movie grossed. Therefore, IMO A does not lead to Q....and his profession & history in his profession doesn't' factor into me thinking he's a helluva guy and cause me to weigh his political or religious opinions as more valid than anyone else's....which I think was lostinlove's point which you chose to argue...

As to your flippant little snide comment about me 'scaring you'...it's not 'admiration' as you so like to think. I'm in no mood today and I'm quite sure I shouldn't be rising to the occassion here, but whatever! I don't think I appreciate your snide implied accusation here, so you can kiss my azz. You're a sanctimonious blowhard who's as hypocritical as they come, and you've just danced on my last nerve...so just ignore me from here on in.

Many Christians looked up to Mel Gibson as their champion against the godless Hollywood elitists when he made Passion of Christ. There were churches across the country willing to show the movie if it didn't find an audience at the theaters and many churches were encouraging their congregation to go see the movie. The argument was made that movie are just entertainment and that isn't necessarily true, just as books are simply for entertainment value. It is relevant that his movie grossed over $800 million worldwide. Do you really think people were just viewing for it's entertainment value?

...if you want to get personal Lisa...the fact is - a great majority of posts I make you seem to jump on me like a wild banshi, determined to chop down anything I say. I don't care if you disagree with me and I trade jabs with you jokingly but there's a line of decency that you've crossed on more than just this ocassion. I am more than happy to debate with you but if you're just lookin' for a fight, go find a dog to kick around. I don't even mind trading jabs, but let's not get nasty about it.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]