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Filed: Country: Vietnam (no flag)
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VietNamNet Bridge - At the age of 15, Pham Thi Binh first followed her father to cemeteries where he was paid to exhume bodies. Now she has taken on the role herself.

Binh, 37, said that her life has always been closely attached to tombs and remains. People in Dai Cau village, Duy Tien district, Ha Nam province call her as “Binh hai cot” (Binh remains).

She is still single and while she hopes for a family but because of her job, she says: “Men don’t dare to love me.”

One day with the female exhumer

According to Vietnamese custom, dead people must be exhumed after three years and this task is often carried out at the year’s end. So Binh is very busy now. She has had to ask for help from her brother, Pham Van Vien, from Thai Nguyen province.

“I have to exhume at least two tombs,” Binh told VietNamNet.

Joined by one of our reporters,Binh and her brother had to go to the local cemetery. Vien wore rubber boots, carried a hoe, a spade and a shovel. Binh put on a waterproof trousers, rubber boots and carried a shovel.

“I have to work while others sleep and sleep while others stay awake,” Binh said.

Walking on the road in the cemetery of Dai Cau village, Binh said: “Today I have two cases. One in Dai Cau village and another in Lao Cau village. After I and Mr. Vien finish digging this tomb, we will go to Lao Cau village”.

At noon, the cemetery and the field were totally empty. Vien used a hoe and Binh held a shovel to dig a tomb. The weather was very cold in late December and Binh’s back was soaked with sweat. The two sometimes stopped for a while to drink water before continuing their job.

“This tomb is deep, over 1.2m but the soil is soft. I hope that we can finish by 3pm. We will dig to the soil layer of 10cm above the coffin and finish at night,” Binh said.

VietNamNet’s reporters asked to witness the job till the end. Binh agreed but reminded the reporter to wear a mask and “not to be frightened”.

She said: “Recently I exhumed a tomb in a nearby commune. When I opened the coffin, I saw that the dead person was still in the same shape with skin and flesh and hair. I told the family to burry the coffin again but they didn’t agree, so I had to try. Returning home, I drank one third of a bottle of alcohol.”

At 11.15pm, two motorbikes came to Binh’s house to carry Binh and her brother to the cemetery. In raincoats and masks, Binh and Vien left the house.

At 0.5am, in incense smoke and to the sounds of crying from the dead person’s family, Binh slowly jumped into the grave to open the coffin. The light from several torches showing the dead person rolled in cloths. With bared hands, Binh briskly did her job. She found pieces of bones, washing soil and put into a small basin.

The next job is washing the remains by fragrant water and arranging the bones into an earthenware container and stuck a big bundle of incense to the grave. Vien helped Binh to wash the bones. Then the job was finished.

Binh says she exhumes hundreds of tombs a year in her village, neighboring villages and other provinces like Hung Yen and Hanoi.

Binh’s comfort is her adopted daughter, Pham Thi Hoa, nearly 16.

“I don’t like my mother’s job. My mother works all night. It is very hard!” Hoa said.

Binh said that she doesn’t want her daughter to follow her steps. She hopes she will apply for a job at a nearby factory or an industrial zone for Hoa.

Binh’s house is located at the bottom of the village, in front of a spacious field. Not far from the house is the village’s cemetery.

Besides exhumation, Binh is not afraid to fish dead bodies from rivers. “Last year I fished the body of an old woman from the Day river. She committed suicide because of jealousness. I have also helped doctors to perform autopsies,” Binh told VietNamNet’s reporter.

Among dozens of cases, Binh never forgets the dead body that she fished out from the Cai River three years ago. When she came, the body was swollen and smell but Binh still helped the family to arrange the body in coffin.

She said that she has seen many dead bodies without hands, head or feet.

For poor families, Binh doesn’t take much money or even works for free.

Will she always be an exhumer?

Binh smiles and says: “You have to ask people. If they don’t ask me to help, I will be a farmer!”

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Edited by Mr. Saigon
Filed: Lift. Cond. (apr) Country: Egypt
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G-d bless her.

Don't just open your mouth and prove yourself a fool....put it in writing.

It gets harder the more you know. Because the more you find out, the uglier everything seems.

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Why do bodies need to be exhumed after three years? I didn't catch that in the article...

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I went and asked the wife and her Aunt and they said that is fake and no one does that. That would be disgusting and one and on. So I take it that it is maybe a non Catholic custom there. I did get that maybe they want the bones for something and blah blah blah.

To make it short. It is a bad idea for me to get info from my wife and her Aunt.

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It just strikes me as a very odd practice:

"Hey kids, it's been three years...want to see your father again?"

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Why do bodies need to be exhumed after three years? I didn't catch that in the article...

This is a ritual which isn't all that uncommon in varying forms-- secondary interment. They are using the graves as basically in-ground charnal facilities and once the bodies are de-fleshed, they are digging up and then replace the bodies in a new location (in this case I believe they said jars). Native Americans usually used Charnal houses for this, Europeans and middle Easterners had tombs that were recycled, etc. Most customs using charnal facilities for decomposition end in bundled long-bones which are either re-burried, wrapped (like the South American mummies for the most-part are actually wrapped secondary interments), jarred, entombed, burned, or any number of other options.

With the additions of coffins, I imagine this is complicating the matter somewhat unless they are using pine-type coffins (in other words a sufficiently acidic wood). The quickest way to decompose is in a plain, pine box. It will fill up with water and you'll go really quickly.

I went and asked the wife and her Aunt and they said that is fake and no one does that. That would be disgusting and one and on. So I take it that it is maybe a non Catholic custom there. I did get that maybe they want the bones for something and blah blah blah.

To make it short. It is a bad idea for me to get info from my wife and her Aunt.

CVatholicism tried to root out a lot of these practices where ever it spread... due to the Biblical idea that you should bury and stay buried... although it sometimes morphed into other things like the crypts where techincally they were still underground...

None of my posts have ever been helpful. Be forewarned.

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Seems like a lot of work for a mere corpse, to me.

I hope my family just feeds my dead body to a hungry polar bear or something. Less work for them, and a sated bear as a bonus.

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This one is still single and has a job? Jackpot.

i can't imagine why. "so honey, how was your day at work?"

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i can't imagine why. "so honey, how was your day at work?"

"I worked my fingers to the bone!"

Married: 07-03-09

I-130 filed: 08-11-09

NOA1: 09-04-09

NOA2: 10-01-09

NVC received: 10-14-09

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Case complete @ NVC: 11-13-09

Interview assigned: 01-22-10 (70 days between case complete and interview assignment)

Medical in Vancouver: 01-28-10

Interview @ Montreal: 03-05-10 -- APPROVED!

POE @ Blaine (Pacific Highway): 03-10-10

3000 mile drive from Vancouver to DC: 03-10-10 to 3-12-10

Green card received: 04-02-10

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Arrived at USCIS: 12-29-11

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Biometrics: 02-24-12

10-year GC finally approved: 12-20-12

Received 10-year GC: 01-10-13

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"I worked my fingers to the bone!"

"i spend all day trying to get ahead in my work!"

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I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.

 

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