Do you truly love your fiancé???

[thongd4me 69]

Not sure of Vladivostok, but western Ukraine is most full of propoganda BS. In fact the people of eastern Ukraine were blissfully unaware of all the "problems" until they were fed the propoganda. If you buy into that BS then you also believe that Rice-a-Roni is really from San Francisco! I also never saw people from one part of a country treat people from another part of the same country so horribly rude as people from Western Ukraine treat anyone who utters the Russian language. (though perhaps immediately after the War Between the States, we may have had a similar treatment for carpetbagging Yankees, that pre-dates me a few years so I can't comment) I would be ashamed to say I lived there.

The spelling differences are BS. More western Ukrainian propoganda. They represent transliterations from Russian or Ukrainian. Kiev or Kyiv...who cares? Just like they arbitrarily change people's names on passports. It would be the same thing if suddenly Canada decided that all people named "John" now had to be called "Jean" to appease the French speaking populace (like that is as likely to happen as appeasing western Ukrainians) and just do so without asking! Our sons have "officially" been changed from "Pavel" and "Sergey" to "Pavlo" and "Sergii". No one asked, just did it and I can't count the number of Svetlana's changed to Svitlana...it is just BS.

Historically speaking, people in Western Ukraine also jumped all over helping those invading facists in 1941 and were slaughtered wholesale by their new "friends" for their trouble. No good deed goes un-punished, eh?

A Ukrainian co-worker of mine went through the same ###### - I personally miss the y's that were taken out of his first & last names.

[baron555 934]

the quality and price of many types of food,

Please do name a few of these, besides red beets, cabbage, potatoes and macaroni, what foods are available in Russia for better quality and price than here in the US? (I'm talking Midwest US also.)

And please do tell about variety availability there versus here.

[Martyshk 137]

And what would be the propaganda in Vladivostok ? Please explain....

And is it "Kharkiv" or "Kharkov" ?

I bolded out Galitsia for a reason, not Vladivostok. I have no idea whats going on in Russia, I never lived there.

Kharkov - Russian.

Kharkiv - Ukranian.

It's Kharkov for me because my native language is Russian. I know Ukrainian, but it's the same as English for me, just one other language I know.

[Martyshk 137]

To get a little insight into Western Ukraine, google SS "Galichina" (СС Галичина)

Please do name a few of these, besides red beets, cabbage, potatoes and macaroni, what foods are available in Russia for better quality and price than here in the US? (I'm talking Midwest US also.)

And please do tell about variety availability there versus here.

Every vegetable and fruit. Milk (I gotta say though, Organic Milk here tastes just as good, but regular milk......it's not even milk really).

Also meats.

I'm talking quality, not price, since I have no idea what prices are like over there now.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

To get a little insight into Western Ukraine, google SS "Galichina" (СС Галичина)

Every vegetable and fruit. Milk (I gotta say though, Organic Milk here tastes just as good, but regular milk......it's not even milk really).

Also meats.

I'm talking quality, not price, since I have no idea what prices are like over there now.

And to get a little insight on Russified eastern Ukraine, google "Holodomor", "NKVD massacre's", and .... one of my favourites... "Ems Ukaz".

In fact let's get a little insight on why the Ukrainian and Belarusian language was all but snuffed out by Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification <--- References are posted at the bottom of that page.

[Martyshk 137]

And to get a little insight on Russified eastern Ukraine, google "Holodomor", "NKVD massacre's", and .... one of my favourites... "Ems Ukaz".

In fact let's get a little insight on why the Ukrainian and Belarusian language was all but snuffed out by Russia.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Russification <--- References are posted at the bottom of that page.

OMFG ... Have YOU lived in Easter Ukraine or Crimea? Really.... it's all nice and easy to point. You understand that everything you just said pertains to USSR, right?

Ukraine has been an independent country for almost 20 years now.

Also, almost all of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea is Russian speaking. Even Ukrainians there are.

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AND, if you want to dig back that far, why not talk about slavery and massacre of Native Americans here.... why the hell not, it had happened at SOME point in time, so who cares if it was 200 years ago, right?

Way to structure an argument....

Edited April 7, 2010 by Мартышк+Мартышка

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Not sure of Vladivostok, but western Ukraine is most full of propoganda BS. In fact the people of eastern Ukraine were blissfully unaware of all the "problems" until they were fed the propoganda. If you buy into that BS then you also believe that Rice-a-Roni is really from San Francisco! I also never saw people from one part of a country treat people from another part of the same country so horribly rude as people from Western Ukraine treat anyone who utters the Russian language. (though perhaps immediately after the War Between the States, we may have had a similar treatment for carpetbagging Yankees, that pre-dates me a few years so I can't comment) I would be ashamed to say I lived there.

The spelling differences are BS. More western Ukrainian propoganda. They represent transliterations from Russian or Ukrainian. Kiev or Kyiv...who cares? Just like they arbitrarily change people's names on passports. It would be the same thing if suddenly Canada decided that all people named "John" now had to be called "Jean" to appease the French speaking populace (like that is as likely to happen as appeasing western Ukrainians) and just do so without asking! Our sons have "officially" been changed from "Pavel" and "Sergey" to "Pavlo" and "Sergii". No one asked, just did it and I can't count the number of Svetlana's changed to Svitlana...it is just BS.

Historically speaking, people in Western Ukraine also jumped all over helping those invading facists in 1941 and were slaughtered wholesale by their new "friends" for their trouble. No good deed goes un-punished, eh?

Please let us know how many Ukrainian radio/TV stations, and Ukrainian language schools exist in Russia vs Russian radio/TV stations, and schooling exist in present day Ukraine. I can't knock Ukrainians that want to reverse the Russification done to them for hundreds of years.

What if the US was invaded, and forced to speak another language other than English ...not to mention tens of thousands of US citizens relocated, or even millions of them starved to death and replaced by ethnic Russians ? Ask a Tartar or Ukrainian Cossack about this.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

OMFG ... Have YOU lived in Easter Ukraine or Crimea? Really.... it's all nice and easy to point. You understand that everything you just said pertains to USSR, right?

Ukraine has been an independent country for almost 20 years now.

Also, almost all of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea is Russian speaking. Even Ukrainians there are.

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AND, if you want to dig back that far, why not talk about slavery and massacre of Native Americans here.... why the hell not, it had happened at SOME point in time, so who cares if it was 200 years ago, right?

Way to structure an argument....

200 years ago ? Try the 20th century. And please explain to us why eastern Ukraine speaks Russian and not Ukrainian. I know the answer to this one...do you ?

Edited April 7, 2010 by Why_Me

[Martyshk 137]

Please let us know how many Ukrainian radio/TV stations, and Ukrainian language schools exist in Russia vs Russian radio/TV stations, and schooling exist in present day Ukraine. I can't knock Ukrainians that want to reverse the Russification done to them for hundreds of years.

What if the US was invaded, and forced to speak another language other than English ...not to mention tens of thousands of US citizens relocated, or even millions of them starved to death and replaced by ethnic Russians ? Ask a Tartar or Ukrainian Cossack about this.

If you must know, the majority of programming in Ukraine is in Ukrainian. All movies in movie theaters are dubbed in Ukrainian.

How about you, for just a minute, stop being a self-righteous protector of all things Ukrainian and think about 2/3 of the country to whom Russian is their native language.

Also, if you are so pro-Ukrainian and sh!t, think about what Ukraine is doing to Crimea and Eastern region now, by FORCING Ukrainian language onto them.

Sounds familiar? So how is that better? Same sh!t imo.

200 years ago ? Try the 20th century. Seriously I would think your history on Ukraine would be better than this.

I was talking about slavery, jeebus **.

ALso, Emskiy Ukaz was 200+ years ago as well.

Edited April 7, 2010 by Мартышк+Мартышка

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

If you must know, the majority of programming in Ukraine is in Ukrainian. All movies in movie theaters are dubbed in Ukrainian.

How about you, for just a minute, stop being a self-righteous protector of all things Ukrainian and think about 2/3 of the country to whom Russian is their native language.

Also, if you are so pro-Ukrainian and sh!t, think about what Ukraine is doing to Crimea and Eastern region now, by FORCING Ukrainian language onto them.

Sounds familiar? So how is that better? Same sh!t imo.

I was talking about slavery, jeebus **.

ALso, Emskiy Ukaz was 200+ years ago as well.

If they don't want to speak their own county's language let them live in Russia.

http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/novikou.htm

The terms "Rus'", "Kyivan Rus'", "Ruthenia" and "Ruthenian" as opposed to "Russia" and "Russian" are used to distinguish between the early mediaeval state with the centres in Kyiv and Novgorod and the independent duchies it disintegrated into on one hand, and the later state with the centre in Moscow on the other. The latter could be considered a distant descendant of the former yet the two are not identical. The confusion with the names is often purposefully used by Russian nationalists to lay claims on all political and spiritual heritage of Kyivan Rus'

[Martyshk 137]

If they don't want to speak their own county's language let them live in Russia.

http://www.deremilit...les/novikou.htm

The terms "Rus'", "Kyivan Rus'", "Ruthenia" and "Ruthenian" as opposed to "Russia" and "Russian" are used to distinguish between the early mediaeval state with the centres in Kyiv and Novgorod and the independent duchies it disintegrated into on one hand, and the later state with the centre in Moscow on the other. The latter could be considered a distant descendant of the former yet the two are not identical. The confusion with the names is often purposefully used by Russian nationalists to lay claims on all political and spiritual heritage of Kyivan Rus'

So..... by that measure, we should deport everyone out from America who doesn't speak English?

How about make citizens take a test too? I'm pretty sure Midwest and most of the South will be an empty land after that.

On another note. You and VV should open your own thread and just feed off each other's material.

Edited April 7, 2010 by Мартышк+Мартышка

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

So..... by that measure, we should deport everyone out from America who doesn't speak English?

How about make citizens take a test too? I'm pretty sure Midwest and most of the South will be an empty land after that.

On another note. You and VV should open your own thread and just feed off each other's material.

You never did explain as to why eastern Ukraine speaks Russian and not Ukrainian. And yes the Crim is a part of Ukraine...not Mother Russia. As far as Crimean Tartars go...the Orange government never deported them by the masses now did they ?

[Martyshk 137]

You never did explain as to why eastern Ukraine speaks Russian and not Ukrainian. And yes the Crim is a part of Ukraine...not Mother Russia. As far as Crimean Tartars go...the Orange government never deported them by the masses now did they ?

I fail to see the point of your argument.

WHO CARES WHY??? It is what it is NOW! And making those people speak Ukrainian is just as oppressive.

Crimea is a part of Ukraine, but it never really will be Ukraine. Just like Odessa will always be its own entity, not defined by the country it's in.

Your arguments are typical American way of looking at things. World Police. AMERICA, ** YEAH!

the Orange government never deported them by the masses now did they ?

And Orange government was so awesome.... with Ms. Yuliya stealing more money than anyone before her even dared. Great stuff!

[SMR 368]

Please do name a few of these, besides red beets, cabbage, potatoes and macaroni, what foods are available in Russia for better quality and price than here in the US? (I'm talking Midwest US also.)

And please do tell about variety availability there versus here.

You can't find real bread in America for under $3 a loaf (where you understand the ingredients list). Even the junk processed stuff is a dollar a loaf. It's under 10r. in Russia and the loaves are bigger. The cheese is better in Russia. I prefer many types of Russian fish, caviar and sushi. Cookies and mayonnaise consist of things that the average person can explain. The chocolate is usually better. Salad dressing is amazing in Russia (yeah, I know it's just the fat). You can buy ice cream on the street for 3r. It's not bad ice cream.

I realize some of this is subjective, but I think it's true.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I fail to see the point of your argument.

WHO CARES WHY??? It is what it is NOW! And making those people speak Ukrainian is just as oppressive.

Just as I thought.

Edited April 7, 2010 by Why_Me