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[marsil 0]

hi every body ....i was a fiance of us girle ...i had my interview and i got the visa but i brok up with my fiance 1 mounth ago i still have visa ...what i want to tel here is that my fiance took 25000$ dollars from me during our past realation ..

i dont want to go to us but i want to get my money back she says that she is not gonna be my money back i mean marrige costs this money was for our marrige in us ...what can i do ? can i apply for a complaint against my fiance

i have evidences that can prove that she took money from me ?? i dont know what to do .. so if you give me advice

i will appreciate it

[VanessaTony 3,567]

You will need proof that you gave her the money, but that it wasn't a "gift" and that it was to pay for the wedding which didn't occur and that now that money needs to be "returned".

You will need proof of her OWING you the money, that it wasn't for a debt you owed her, or that you gave it to her as a present.

First thing you need to do is speak to the police. Tell them what happened and see what they say.

Unfortunately it's your word against hers.

Good luck.

[az110965 252]

Sounds like a difficult situation and the odds of you getting your money back are pretty slim. There are a couple of things working against you here - first of which is that you're in one country and she's in another, so suing her to regain your money most likely would proove difficult, especially since you have no leagl status in the USA.

Second of all, assuming you were able to bring a civil suit against her - you'd have to be able to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the money you gave here wasn't a gift. You stated that the money was to be used for the wedding - do you have anything in writing from your fiance that the funds were specifially to be used for a wedding and that they'd be returned in case the wedding was canceled?

Our legal system places the burden on you to proove that your fiancee owes you the money, and even if you were sucessful in the outcome of the suit, if she no longer had the funds to repay you the worst that would happen is that a judgement lein woiuld be filed against her.

I wish you good luck.

Alan

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

I think you should ring up the consulate and tell them you gave your US petitioner $25000 and now she won't give it back.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

I think you should ring up the consulate and tell them you gave your US petitioner $25000 and now she won't give it back.

Gotta admit I think that would look like he "paid her" for the visa... I hope there's an email somewhere where you told her you'd send her money for the wedding and in my opinion that makes it obvious that no wedding = return the money

[Hell0W0rld 10]

damn, without papertrail, then the money is gone, it won't stand up in court without tangible evidence..

[Old Dominion 26]

hi every body ....i was a fiance of us girle ...i had my interview and i got the visa but i brok up with my fiance 1 mounth ago i still have visa ...what i want to tel here is that my fiance took 25000$ dollars from me during our past realation ..

i dont want to go to us but i want to get my money back she says that she is not gonna be my money back i mean marrige costs this money was for our marrige in us ...what can i do ? can i apply for a complaint against my fiance

i have evidences that can prove that she took money from me ?? i dont know what to do .. so if you give me advice

i will appreciate it

What kind of evidence do you have? I'm sure you sent the money voluntarily and if so, you have learned a lesson.

[HeatDeath 430]

General relationship rule: never hand your partner ANY money that you expect to see ever again.

Gifts are wonderful. Gifts are lovely. Loans are a toxic cancer to your relationship.

[marsil 0]

thanks all for reply

anyway ........ i have an E-mail from her ..she sent it to me a message says that she was acting in my country and she was lieing from the begining...

this is some of her message

she says that

hello how are you ...i am writing to say that i was acting in your country and i am so sorry i cant say it .....

i miss you and take care

is it good evedince that can help in the counsulate section

by the way i dont wawnt to get the money back coz i dont need it ...i want to get her to prison

i want her to pay the price coz people feelings are not vidio games ..that can use for fun

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Make up your mind what it is you do want there.

First you say you want your money back. Then you say you don't.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

hi every body ....i was a fiance of us girle ...i had my interview and i got the visa but i brok up with my fiance 1 mounth ago i still have visa ...what i want to tel here is that my fiance took 25000$ dollars from me during our past realation ..

i dont want to go to us but i want to get my money back she says that she is not gonna be my money back i mean marrige costs this money was for our marrige in us ...what can i do ? can i apply for a complaint against my fiance

i have evidences that can prove that she took money from me ?? i dont know what to do .. so if you give me advice

i will appreciate it

File a lawsuit in the USA. Hire an attorney...which will probably cost you double the $25,000 before it is over. It is not a good idea to be sending money to someone overseas if you ever expect to see it again. Coming to the USA, which you could do, will not help either. It will likely land in prison until they deport you. If you think you will show up and pound on her door until she gives you the money...think again. The police will haul your @ss off. This is a "civil matter" not a criminal matter. YOU voluntarily sent her the money, she didn't "steal" it. You show up and cause her trouble and she will call the police, they will arrest you for assault. You will be deported and be barred for life from the USA. You can hire an attorney to represent you here and sue her for the money. You will pay a lot of money to an attorney and LOSE. Unless you have a contract she signed agreeing to pay you back, she will say it is a gift and you LOSE. The attorney will not tell you that until after he takes a lot of your money. I just saved you thousands of dollars. Evidence that you SENT money and she TOOK it, is worthless. Unless you have a contractural agreement that the specific money was a loan and specifying repayment terms she will simply say it was a "gift" from her fiancee at the time. Happens all the time.

Even if you have a contract, and you "win" what you will win is a "judgement". This is a court paper saying she owes you money. You already know this. Then you have to have a way to "perfect the judgement", in other words...collect the money. The attorney you paid to get the judgement will gladly take MORE of your money to collect the judgement, but your ex-fiancee will conceal her assets so he cannot do it and he will chase her around at $200 per hour, until you say for him to give up. He will call her on the phone, until she changes her phone number. He will send her nasty letters, until she moves. When you finally find her, all the money will be gone (it is already, I assure you, it is very easy to make cash "disappear".

There are ONLY two ways to sue someone in the USA and actually get anything. One is for it to be a very small amount of money, usually less than $5000 (depends on the state) and sue them in small claims court without an attorney, but if you have no attorney YOU must appear at the court date. Difficult for a foreigner. She can postpone the date until your visa expires and YOU LOSE. It is no problem to postone a court case for up to one year or more. Very easy. You can then file papers to attach thier wages, etc. A person doe snot run and hide or quit jobs to pay back small amounts of money. Would you? I mean you have a good job and someone wins a judegment and collects from your wage, will you quit a good job (in this economy) because of a $1000 or $2000 or even $5000 judgement? Not likely.

The other way is if they owe you LOTS of money...hundreds of thousands of dollars, or millions of dollars is better. This makes it worth your while to pay an attorney and wait for years (civil court cases can easily take 3-10 years to process, the other side will delay it all they can, and it is easy top delay)

Basically you are out of luck. Better luck next time and don't send off money you can't afford to lose and not cry about.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

thanks all for reply

anyway ........ i have an E-mail from her ..she sent it to me a message says that she was acting in my country and she was lieing from the begining...

this is some of her message

she says that

hello how are you ...i am writing to say that i was acting in your country and i am so sorry i cant say it .....

i miss you and take care

is it good evedince that can help in the counsulate section

by the way i dont wawnt to get the money back coz i dont need it ...i want to get her to prison

i want her to pay the price coz people feelings are not vidio games ..that can use for fun

Means nothing. emails are easily faked. Send me an email saying anything, I will change it and send it back to myself and make it say something entirely different and it will appear to come from you. You can't be serious. This is the United States. You MUST PROVE what you say in court. She is INNOCENT until after you PROVE she is guilty. The threshold of proof in civil court is less than criminal court, but not much and much more is disregarded in civil court. You need PROOF that you had a contract for her to re-pay the money.

[Darnell 8,479]

If you sent the money via TT or wire transfer - you might have some hope of getting it back.

You'll need to contact your bank and the police. The police MIGHT give orders to the bank for a 'reverse' attempt.

You'd have to convince the police to do it, though.

[TracyTN 237]

Moving thread from K1 process forum to 'effects of family changes' forum.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

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