Green Jobs Stupidity

[Danno 1,228]

I think a huge number of jobs will be created by rebuilding the energy infrastructure.

What's wrong with a little improvement on an old technology btw? Should we just be stuck in a rut or look for better ways to sustainably live on this earth?

The term "Better ways" is a key here, what does it mean to most people.

Judging from the popularity of Walmart, target and your local grocery store it means cheap prices and dependable quality.

When green products can deliver this.... they will flourish on their own, when they can't they will require Gov't to eliminate those that do.

"Green hype" will only sell so many units, I mean how many of us have bought "environmentally safe" products that don't clean as good or paint as well or last as long as our old product?

Do we go on buying something that costs more and performs less?

How many people will pay more for a car... both in price and upkeep to save a minimal amount in fuel?

What I am saying is not secret, least of all to Progressives.

that exactly why they want to "artificially" raise the price of energy (by taxes) to MAKE YOU choose that which you would not otherwise choose.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

The term "Better ways" is a key here, what does it mean to most people.

Judging from the popularity of Walmart, target and your local grocery store it means cheap prices and dependable quality.

When green products can deliver this.... they will flourish on their own, when they can't they will require Gov't to eliminate those that do.

"Green hype" will only sell so many units, I mean how many of us have bought "environmentally safe" products that don't clean as good or paint as well or last as long as our old product?

Do we go on buying something that costs more and performs less?

How many people will pay more for a car... both in price and upkeep to save a minimal amount in fuel?

What I am saying is not secret, least of all to Progressives.

that exactly why they want to "artificially" raise the price of energy (by taxes) to MAKE YOU choose that which you would not otherwise choose.

Do you how many luxury cars are sold? Do you know how much Whole Foods sold last year? Did you know that Walmart is getting into the organic market? Market trends don't follow your simplistic formula. People will pay for something if they believe it worth the price for whatever reasons (quality, green, organic, cheap, expensive, etc.).

[FortLaudy 10]

Do you how many luxury cars are sold? Do you know how much Whole Foods sold last year? Did you know that Walmart is getting into the organic market? Market trends don't follow your simplistic formula. People will pay for something if they believe it worth the price for whatever reasons (quality, green, organic, cheap, expensive, etc.).

He does have a point with a whole lot of people who got used to buying cheap junk empty-calorie packaged garbage at Wallmart instead of buying from their local farmer's market or whole foods and preparing meals from scratch. There's a whole lot of thinking that needs to change imo.

[Danno 1,228]

Do you how many luxury cars are sold? Do you know how much Whole Foods sold last year? Did you know that Walmart is getting into the organic market? Market trends don't follow your simplistic formula. People will pay for something if they believe it worth the price for whatever reasons (quality, green, organic, cheap, expensive, etc.).

Read what I said Steven and you will see MOST people look for Price and a dependable product/service.

I have seen many "green products" everything from elect cars to paint.... often they are a step down, though I have heard some who like the waterborne Clearcoat products in wood finishing.

Even so when products don't measure up or are more costly there are a select few buyers who still buy them.. no doubt about it.

Even Luxury car buyers shop price and quality, are you aware of any luxury "green" cars which compare to Lexus?

People by Organic for for Health reasons, if you want to tie that into the "green products" category I guess you can but that more deals with -saving the body rather than the environment..... and I think if you asked people why they buy Organic you would find it is because of personal health.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Read what I said Steven and you will see MOST people look for Price and a dependable product/service.

I have seen many "green products" everything from elect cars to paint.... often they are a step down, though I have heard some who like the waterborne Clearcoat products in wood finishing.

Even so when products don't measure up or are more costly there are a select few buyers who still buy them.. no doubt about it.

Even Luxury car buyers shop price and quality, are you aware of any luxury "green" cars which compare to Lexus?

People by Organic for for Health reasons, if you want to tie that into the "green products" category I guess you can but that more deals with -saving the body rather than the environment..... and I think if you asked people why they buy Organic you would find it is because of personal health.

The market trends are the important factor that you can't seem to wrap your head around. So-called green products are popular because unlike global warming deniers like you, Americans do care about the environment and want to make a difference. As to the validity of what products are greener than others, you'd have to look at them on a case-by-case basis. Americans do want to do something about global warming even while the flat earthers such as yourself want to carry on as if this all just some silly fad.

[FortLaudy 10]

Read what I said Steven and you will see MOST people look for Price and a dependable product/service.

I have seen many "green products" everything from elect cars to paint.... often they are a step down, though I have heard some who like the waterborne Clearcoat products in wood finishing.

Even so when products don't measure up or are more costly there are a select few buyers who still buy them.. no doubt about it.

Even Luxury car buyers shop price and quality, are you aware of any luxury "green" cars which compare to Lexus?

People by Organic for for Health reasons, if you want to tie that into the "green products" category I guess you can but that more deals with -saving the body rather than the environment..... and I think if you asked people why they buy Organic you would find it is because of personal health.

USUALLY when you buy "green" or organic products, it's good for yourself, and the environment, sometimes even for your wallet. I don't go out and buy anything that says green, that's for sure. Because I'm not a sheep that follows a trend blindly. The concept of "sustainable living" has many many benefits and does not only centre around "green products" or what Al Gore has to say. It's more about common sense to me and has little to do with politics too.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

USUALLY when you buy "green" or organic products, it's good for yourself, and the environment, sometimes even for your wallet. I don't go out and buy anything that says green, that's for sure. Because I'm not a sheep that follows a trend blindly. The concept of "sustainable living" has many many benefits and does not only centre around "green products" or what Al Gore has to say. It's more about common sense to me and has little to do with politics too.

In Danno's eyes, everything is political.

[alienlovechild 75]

The market trends are the important factor that you can't seem to wrap your head around. So-called green products are popular because unlike global warming deniers like you, Americans do care about the environment and want to make a difference. As to the validity of what products are greener than others, you'd have to look at them on a case-by-case basis. Americans do want to do something about global warming even while the flat earthers such as yourself want to carry on as if this all just some silly fad.

Care to give us a market share on green products vs. traditional ones? They're usually more expensive and market share is tough to change as there is some brand loyalty. Around here, I rarely see anything touted as green that is cheaper and the "green" label itself suspect as the old standbys "all natural" and "healthy". Most consumers don't read the ingredient content and depend of the color/design/name of the packaging. Few are as political as yourself.

Very products are really green as there are energy inputs from say a coal fired power plant that was used to make green product.

[Danno 1,228]

In Danno's eyes, everything is political.

Actually you are speaking of yourself more than me.

I am the guy who has a veg garden and the guy who tries to buy local, I resist both being scammed by the "Man made global Warming cabal" and the scammers who are stamping "green" on the most silly product that I found to be shitty.

I bet pound 4 pound, I recycle more in a month than you do.

While most left wing orgs are no more than money whores I am involved in measures which actually purchase areas for preservation and wildlife habitat.

We have been over this before, you want to live in your roomy house, complete with flat-screen and A/C and pretend you are part of the answer because you Vote Left and you have changed your light bulbs.

You are not steve... you are the definition of what the problem is.... Mass consumerism.

Quit with the holier than thou environmental act.

While it is entertaining it's even losing that value.

[FortLaudy 10]

My take on anything packaged (Food): if it has more than say 3 ingredients it probably isn't good for you. No more packaged food! no more packaged food!

At a supermarket stick to the outer isles, fresh local and in-season produce is the best!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Care to give us a market share on green products vs. traditional ones? They're usually more expensive and market share is tough to change as there is some brand loyalty. Around here, I rarely see anything touted as green that is cheaper and the "green" label itself suspect as the old standbys "all natural" and "healthy". Most consumers don't read the ingredient content and depend of the color/design/name of the packaging. Few are as political as yourself.

Very products are really green as there are energy inputs from say a coal fired power plant that was used to make green product.

In 2005, green building was a small, burgeoning market, approximately 2% of both nonresidential (commercial and institutional) and residential construction, valued at a total $10 billion–$3 billion for nonresidential and $7 billion for nonresidential. Since that time, green building has expanded rapidly due to a number of factors such as growing public awareness of green practices, heavy increase in government interventions (see page 35 for details), and recognition by owners of the bottom line advantages (see page 9 for details). In fact, green building has grown in spite of the market downturn. Green seems to be one area of construction insulated by the downturn, and we expect green building will continue to grow over the next five years despite negative market conditions to be a $96-$140 billion market.

http://construction.com/market_research/re...reenOutlook.asp

[one...two...tree 2,762]

My take on anything packaged (Food): if it has more than say 3 ingredients it probably isn't good for you. No more packaged food! no more packaged food!

At a supermarket stick to the outer isles, fresh local and in-season produce is the best!

Yep. One thing though about local produce vs. your grocery store - most grocery stores do show where they get the produce from. Also, most of them are offering organic produce. Organic produce tends to come from closer suppliers because of a shorter shelf life. Farmer's markets are great though if you can find one.

[FortLaudy 10]

Yep. One thing though about local produce vs. your grocery store - most grocery stores do show where they get the produce from. Also, most of them are offering organic produce. Organic produce tends to come from closer suppliers because of a shorter shelf life. Farmer's markets are great though if you can find one.

True, luckily we have a few farmer's markets close to us, very cute, I love them, cheaper, fresher and better!

[Darnell 8,479]

Care to give us a market share on green products vs. traditional ones?

Ask this question again, in one year, when there's enough market data.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Green Products more expensive? Where did that stupid ideology came from, a moron?

Let me tell you something. Silicone based solar cells are more expensive to build than the thin film organic solar cells. RoHS chips are generally cheaper than the non-RoHS chips. Now, what the fukc did the idea that green products are more expensive?