Why arabs have more civilian casualties

[Nessa 23]

And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson

Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)

God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson

Heaven holds a place for those who pray

(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

We'd like to know a little bit about you for our files

We'd like to help you learn to help yourself

Look around you, all you see are sympathetic eyes

Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home

And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson

Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)

God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson

Heaven holds a place for those who pray

(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

Hide it in a hiding place where no one ever goes

Put it in your pantry with your cupcakes

It's a little secret, just the Robinsons' affair

Most of all, you've got to hide it from the kids

Coo, coo, ca-choo, Mrs Robinson

Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)

God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson

Heaven holds a place for those who pray

(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon

Going to the candidates debate

Laugh about it, shout about it

When you've got to choose

Ev'ry way you look at it, you lose

Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio

A nation turns its lonely eyes to you (Woo, woo, woo)

What's that you say, Mrs. Robinson

Joltin' Joe has left and gone away

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If he is seated atop an Israeli jeep, he is a human shield whether or not he is strapped down. Can the Palestinians shoot at the jeeps without worrying about hitting the boy? What do you think happens if he tries to run away? Do you think he looks like he is up there by choice?

I guess he is seating there because it's too hot inside the jeep.

This is Israeli police jeep

Bloody Hell!

Risto has a POINT! I just noticed the blue lights on top of the trucks, the fact that there are no weapons in sight, and the "soldier" is talking on the radio. Likewise, the kid has more of an "I've been busted!" look than a "OMG I'M GOING TO DIE!!!" look. ROFLMFAO!!!!

That takes some balls..... posting a pic of a kid getting arrested for something and using it as "proof" of Israelis using human shields.

I'm sorry...I have to go piss myself from laughing so hard now....

indeed it's a strong evidence of Israelis using human shields. It can not be anything else. The only way to prevent upcoming attack is to place a boy on the jeep. Damn those Jews they are so smart

Instead of picking holes in one particular photo outside of any framing context (which you really can't determine merely by looking at it), I suggest you read the substance of the allegations themselves.

The claims are not coming from the 'Palestinians' but from an Israeli human rights group.

Israelis accused of 'human shields' tactic

In case the BBC is too biased for you - hows about hearing it from the horse's mouth?

Israeli Soldiers use civilians as Human Shields in Beit Hanun

Statistics

Specifically Palestinian Casualities 2000-2006

You can get Israeli stats from the IDF website direct.

IDF Statistics Page

[Risto 0]

If he is seated atop an Israeli jeep, he is a human shield whether or not he is strapped down. Can the Palestinians shoot at the jeeps without worrying about hitting the boy? What do you think happens if he tries to run away? Do you think he looks like he is up there by choice?

I guess he is seating there because it's too hot inside the jeep.

This is Israeli police jeep

Bloody Hell!

Risto has a POINT! I just noticed the blue lights on top of the trucks, the fact that there are no weapons in sight, and the "soldier" is talking on the radio. Likewise, the kid has more of an "I've been busted!" look than a "OMG I'M GOING TO DIE!!!" look. ROFLMFAO!!!!

That takes some balls..... posting a pic of a kid getting arrested for something and using it as "proof" of Israelis using human shields.

I'm sorry...I have to go piss myself from laughing so hard now....

indeed it's a strong evidence of Israelis using human shields. It can not be anything else. The only way to prevent upcoming attack is to place a boy on the jeep. Damn those Jews they are so smart

Instead of picking holes in one particular photo outside of any framing context (which you really can't determine merely by looking at it), I suggest you read the substance of the allegations themselves.

The claims are not coming from the 'Palestinians' but from an Israeli human rights group.

Israelis accused of 'human shields' tactic

In case the BBC is too biased for you - hows about hearing it from the horse's mouth?

Israeli Soldiers use civilians as Human Shields in Beit Hanun

Statistics

Specifically Palestinian Casualities 2000-2006

You can get Israeli stats from the IDF website direct.

IDF Statistics Page

That’s what the cartoon says in 10,000 words

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If he is seated atop an Israeli jeep, he is a human shield whether or not he is strapped down. Can the Palestinians shoot at the jeeps without worrying about hitting the boy? What do you think happens if he tries to run away? Do you think he looks like he is up there by choice?

I guess he is seating there because it's too hot inside the jeep.

This is Israeli police jeep

Bloody Hell!

Risto has a POINT! I just noticed the blue lights on top of the trucks, the fact that there are no weapons in sight, and the "soldier" is talking on the radio. Likewise, the kid has more of an "I've been busted!" look than a "OMG I'M GOING TO DIE!!!" look. ROFLMFAO!!!!

That takes some balls..... posting a pic of a kid getting arrested for something and using it as "proof" of Israelis using human shields.

I'm sorry...I have to go piss myself from laughing so hard now....

indeed it's a strong evidence of Israelis using human shields. It can not be anything else. The only way to prevent upcoming attack is to place a boy on the jeep. Damn those Jews they are so smart

Instead of picking holes in one particular photo outside of any framing context (which you really can't determine merely by looking at it), I suggest you read the substance of the allegations themselves.

The claims are not coming from the 'Palestinians' but from an Israeli human rights group.

Israelis accused of 'human shields' tactic

In case the BBC is too biased for you - hows about hearing it from the horse's mouth?

Israeli Soldiers use civilians as Human Shields in Beit Hanun

Statistics

Specifically Palestinian Casualities 2000-2006

You can get Israeli stats from the IDF website direct.

IDF Statistics Page

That’s what the cartoon says in 10,000 words

Still trolling I see. Here's to hoping you can put together a 2+ paragraph post sometime in the near future. And all because serious issues require childish and trite commentary

[Bosco 1]

You have to sit through an ad to read this article but more on the Hezbollah human shield allegations

The "Hiding among Civilians" myth

[Risto 0]

If he is seated atop an Israeli jeep, he is a human shield whether or not he is strapped down. Can the Palestinians shoot at the jeeps without worrying about hitting the boy? What do you think happens if he tries to run away? Do you think he looks like he is up there by choice?

I guess he is seating there because it's too hot inside the jeep.

This is Israeli police jeep

Bloody Hell!

Risto has a POINT! I just noticed the blue lights on top of the trucks, the fact that there are no weapons in sight, and the "soldier" is talking on the radio. Likewise, the kid has more of an "I've been busted!" look than a "OMG I'M GOING TO DIE!!!" look. ROFLMFAO!!!!

That takes some balls..... posting a pic of a kid getting arrested for something and using it as "proof" of Israelis using human shields.

I'm sorry...I have to go piss myself from laughing so hard now....

indeed it's a strong evidence of Israelis using human shields. It can not be anything else. The only way to prevent upcoming attack is to place a boy on the jeep. Damn those Jews they are so smart

Instead of picking holes in one particular photo outside of any framing context (which you really can't determine merely by looking at it), I suggest you read the substance of the allegations themselves.

The claims are not coming from the 'Palestinians' but from an Israeli human rights group.

Israelis accused of 'human shields' tactic

In case the BBC is too biased for you - hows about hearing it from the horse's mouth?

Israeli Soldiers use civilians as Human Shields in Beit Hanun

Statistics

Specifically Palestinian Casualities 2000-2006

You can get Israeli stats from the IDF website direct.

IDF Statistics Page

That’s what the cartoon says in 10,000 words

Still trolling I see. Here's to hoping you can put together a 2+ paragraph post sometime in the near future. And all because serious issues require childish and trite commentary

It doesn’t matter how long what you (or some other wife) writing is. It’s still a garbage.

Sure you are serious, but to understand it requires common sense and some intelligence.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It doesn’t matter how long what you (or some other wife) writing is. It’s still a garbage.

Sure you are serious, but to understand it requires common sense and some intelligence.

I guess it also requires common sense and some intelligence to present racially offensive websites as representative fact.

Some other articles.

In U.S. Media, Palestinians Attack, Israel Retaliates

No Children in Palestine

Applauding while Lebanon burns

'Because This Is the Middle East'

The Arabs are completely to blame

Human Rights Watch - Q&A on Hostilities Between Israel and Hezbollah

Edited July 29, 2006 by erekose

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Not too sure what the discussion is except that the cartoons seem to suggest that the Hezbollah is using civilians as shields and thus the killing of civilians in Lebanon is nothing but collateral damage whereas the killing of civilians in Israel is calculated murder.

Personally I think that cartoons like that are trying to excuse the inexcusable. Blaming Hizbollah for the Lebanese casualties overlooks the fact that Israel is specifically targeting civilians (and has been for a while) under the pretense of bombing terrorist fortresses. Whenever you lob a missile into a neighborhood of a major city, your main objective will be to kill civilians regardless of professions of the opposite. The same is of course true for Hizbollah even though they are less covert about it.

The main difference is of course that Hisbollah is doing what is best for them. As past bombings aiming at civilians have shown, the winner is usually the side that wants to create or reenforce the perception of the other side as the deadly enemy. Just take a look at WW2. The allied bombing of Germany was started with the explicit goal of killing civilians in order to weaken morale among soldiers at the front. However, it achieved the opposite because rather than convincing German soldiers that they were fighting a war in which there was nothing to win, they now had a new cause - to revenge the death of their families. The ironic thing is that the allies could have known about the effect of civilian casualties on troop morale - after all the German bombing of England enhanced English morale rather than breaking English spirits.

To come back to Israel's bombing of Lebanon, the only thing that will be achieved - thanks to civilian casualties and the destruction of infrastructure - is a strengthening of Hisbollah (itself a child of another invasion by Israel) and other extremist forces.

[Risto 0]

Not too sure what the discussion is except that the cartoons seem to suggest that the Hezbollah is using civilians as shields and thus the killing of civilians in Lebanon is nothing but collateral damage whereas the killing of civilians in Israel is calculated murder.

Personally I think that cartoons like that are trying to excuse the inexcusable. Blaming Hizbollah for the Lebanese casualties overlooks the fact that Israel is specifically targeting civilians (and has been for a while) under the pretense of bombing terrorist fortresses. Whenever you lob a missile into a neighborhood of a major city, your main objective will be to kill civilians regardless of professions of the opposite. The same is of course true for Hizbollah even though they are less covert about it.

The main difference is of course that Hisbollah is doing what is best for them. As past bombings aiming at civilians have shown, the winner is usually the side that wants to create or reenforce the perception of the other side as the deadly enemy. Just take a look at WW2. The allied bombing of Germany was started with the explicit goal of killing civilians in order to weaken morale among soldiers at the front. However, it achieved the opposite because rather than convincing German soldiers that they were fighting a war in which there was nothing to win, they now had a new cause - to revenge the death of their families. The ironic thing is that the allies could have known about the effect of civilian casualties on troop morale - after all the German bombing of England enhanced English morale rather than breaking English spirits.

To come back to Israel's bombing of Lebanon, the only thing that will be achieved - thanks to civilian casualties and the destruction of infrastructure - is a strengthening of Hisbollah (itself a child of another invasion by Israel) and other extremist forces.

I don't feel sorry for the germans.

[desert_fox 32]

I can tell you one reason why they have more casualities.

Israel uses the US Army developed Firefinder Radar system.

Its a radar that continually scans for incoming artillery. Once an artilery shell is fired, or a missle, it is detected by the radar. After a few scans it can calculate the coordinatesi from where it was fired. This info is feed in real time to friendly artillery and return fire is directed at the originating point every though the original incoming has not hit its target. This info is also supplied to local authorities to sound warnings of incoming and likely impact area.

Now, since the Hezbollah fire this stuff from residental neighborhood, the civilians will most likely be the ones that are going to suffer.

Ive personally seen this system in operation for checkout for return to action after depot overhaul. Highly effective and accurate.

[sarah and hicham 3]

hmm...

I was saying last night in chat - i'm so sick of all this relgious debate and I am requesting more irreverent drama - let's go back to the good ole days when we fought about fluff instead of substance

I agree with you. No more religious debate would be lovely but my eight ball just told me it is not likely, sowy.

[Mirorgate 0]

... my eight ball just told me it is not likely, sowy.

ooohhh... I love those. made all my work decisions to what it said... my boss hated that but couldnt say anything since he gave it to me

[sarah and hicham 3]

... my eight ball just told me it is not likely, sowy.

ooohhh... I love those. made all my work decisions to what it said... my boss hated that but couldnt say anything since he gave it to me

I hope you're not a surgeon!

[iceyspots 0]

IMHO anyone who can't tell the difference between Israelis and Palestinians shouldn't be arguing for/against either side.

[Mirorgate 0]

... my eight ball just told me it is not likely, sowy.

ooohhh... I love those. made all my work decisions to what it said... my boss hated that but couldnt say anything since he gave it to me

I hope you're not a surgeon!

Better... DB Analyst! all the hot babe action comes our way.... 8 ball says?!? "No way in hell"

gotta hide this thing from the wife then

IMHO anyone who can't tell the difference between Israelis and Palestinians shouldn't be arguing for/against either side.

oohhh.... the ones have dark hair, the others have darker tan but they both speak a foreign language other than engrish