China mulls setting up military base in Pakistan

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

China is a long standing military hardware supplier to Pakistan, much as Russia is to India.

Meanwhile, Israel is supplying them both.

[William33 110]

Meanwhile, Israel is supplying them both.

Meanwhile, the US is supplying them all....Who are we kidding here....

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Meanwhile, the US is supplying them all....Who are we kidding here....

When we supply two countries at conflict with one another, we win.

[William33 110]

When we supply two countries at conflict with one another, we win.

We supply over 20 countries.....meaning?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

We supply over 20 countries.....meaning?

20? way more than 20.

[William33 110]

Indeed....

[Saddle Bronc 124]

But China isn't in it for world-politik reasons. It's purely personal, with the internal troubles with the Uighurs and the growing competitive streak with India. The Chinese are indeed happy that the USA is playing global policeman. They're just fine with that. So long as their national interest doesn't come under the spotlight.

Newsflash: the "competitive streak" has been there since 1950's--and was behind the Chinese attack on India in 1962.

The Uighur issue is entirely tangential.

[Pooky 3,693]

Newsflash: the "competitive streak" has been there since 1950's--and was behind the Chinese attack on India in 1962.

The Uighur issue is entirely tangential.

I never said it wasn't there before, but India's industrial muscle is growing and they are becoming one of the bigger economic players on the world stage. China, as the closest regional competitor, is feeling this and will, as they have always shown, make moves to protect and further their own advantage.

Remember, back in 1962, India wasn't a nuclear player. They are now.

[Ali G. 37]

in the new Russian stealth fighter, the PAK-FA which flew for the first time today.

That fighter is awesome. Russians are back..

[Ban Hammer 13,135]

That fighter is awesome. Russians are back..

no, it's not. it's still in developmental stage.

[Pooky 3,693]

That fighter is awesome. Russians are back..

That fighter is 10 years behind where it needs to be. The new engines aren't ready yet, nor are the full-spec avionics, the stealth characteristics are way behind the F22, and the Russians will have trouble getting it production ready by their 2015 anticipated in-service date.

But, and it's a couple of big ones, the radar/weapons mix is already ahead of the US, and the Indian involvement in the development will give it a level of exposure to Western tech and hardware comparison the Russian can't muster themselves.

India's main concern here, and probably Russia's too, is that the Chinese are working on their own "5th Generation" stealthy fighter, so the PAK-FA needsto be good and in service before the Chinese get theirs in the air. Because the Chinese have even less scruples than the Russians as to who they sell their hardware to.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

That fighter is 10 years behind where it needs to be. The new engines aren't ready yet, nor are the full-spec avionics, the stealth characteristics are way behind the F22, and the Russians will have trouble getting it production ready by their 2015 anticipated in-service date.

But, and it's a couple of big ones, the radar/weapons mix is already ahead of the US, and the Indian involvement in the development will give it a level of exposure to Western tech and hardware comparison the Russian can't muster themselves.

India's main concern here, and probably Russia's too, is that the Chinese are working on their own "5th Generation" stealthy fighter, so the PAK-FA needsto be good and in service before the Chinese get theirs in the air. Because the Chinese have even less scruples than the Russians as to who they sell their hardware to.

Facts be damned, surely we have come full circle in this discussion and proven this to be all Obama's fault!

[Pooky 3,693]

Facts be damned, surely we have come full circle in this discussion and proven this to be all Obama's fault!

####### has President Obama got to do with this?

You need to get out more.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

####### has President Obama got to do with this?

You need to get out more.

Sarcasm on my part my dear pooky! If you look at the start of this thread, the Chinese actions were all because Bush Lite is no longer in office and the limp noodle, communist/socialist/fascist/pacifist Obama is now at the helm giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

[Ali G. 37]

That fighter is 10 years behind where it needs to be. The new engines aren't ready yet, nor are the full-spec avionics, the stealth characteristics are way behind the F22, and the Russians will have trouble getting it production ready by their 2015 anticipated in-service date.

But, and it's a couple of big ones, the radar/weapons mix is already ahead of the US, and the Indian involvement in the development will give it a level of exposure to Western tech and hardware comparison the Russian can't muster themselves.

India's main concern here, and probably Russia's too, is that the Chinese are working on their own "5th Generation" stealthy fighter, so the PAK-FA needsto be good and in service before the Chinese get theirs in the air. Because the Chinese have even less scruples than the Russians as to who they sell their hardware to.

With the amount of cash China now has stashed up thanks to our corporations exporting everything and anything over there I wouldn't be surprised if they are already working on their 6th gen. All they need to do is buy our 5th gen from someone here. People here have a weakness for $$$, so I am sure they will find somebody. Not to mention, with all of the plants we have setup China, you think they are not stealing any an every technology and manufacturing technique they can. Of course they are.

The F22 costs $142.6 million to manufacture each, China could easily purchase 14,814 of those and not have to borrow a dime. The Chinese government is not stupid, while we have a political party (ideology) here who wants a poorer and weaker federal government, with more tax cuts for the mega wealthy, the Chinese government is amassing money for their own. The joke of the century is that the communists now have more money in cash than us. Furthermore, we are responsible for making them wealthy. They have actually used greed and exploited capitalism against us and to their advantage. Way to go any company and shareholders that has sold us out. On top of that, we owe them $800 billion.