New York woman falls, rips Picasso painting

[Peikko 1,575]

Actually, his corporation filed for bankruptcy awhile back. Part of his success was he attracted a lot of Conservative Christians to his work. People who typically shielded themselves from most modern art because of it's apparent secularism. Whether he deliberately marketed his Christian beliefs or not, he brought a whole new demographic to the art collection world. I'm sure some of his finer work will be worth some money someday, but most of the pieces that people paid hundreds, sometimes thousands for, have already realized that they bought junk.

His work was 'collectible'? That's crazy. You can't mandate what is and isn't going to be worth money in the future and if you are buying art simply to generate wealth you don't really understand it - although Hirst might not agree with his golden calf

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I sculpted a nice piece of feces for you Cleo. I made it into the figure of a squirrel. I shelaqued it, and its on its way. Would you consider it art?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I sculpted a nice piece of feces for you Cleo. I made it into the figure of a squirrel. I shelaqued it, and its on its way. Would you consider it art?

roflmao

[Danno 1,228]

Is Danno going to give us his true definition of art?

Actually, it's so much easier to say what it isn't.

[Danno 1,228]

That's fine so far as it goes, but what is your position on seeing works that you don't understand to be destroyed?

I don't know that anyone here was Calling for art to be destroyed?

I am perfectly fine with others seeing Art where I don't, and havn't we all grown to appreciate some forms or styles of art we earlier didn't?

But again don't piss on my leg and tell me it's "performance art".

[chri'stina 190]

Actually, his corporation filed for bankruptcy awhile back. Part of his success was he attracted a lot of Conservative Christians to his work. People who typically shielded themselves from most modern art because of it's apparent secularism. Whether he deliberately marketed his Christian beliefs or not, he brought a whole new demographic to the art collection world. I'm sure some of his finer work will be worth some money someday, but most of the pieces that people paid hundreds, sometimes thousands for, have already realized that they bought junk.

I'm not trying to be argumentative but do you have more info about that? I do know people who like/d his work a lot, for the cozy aspect of it. The glow and all. I just question the reason you are saying, because of shielding themselves from modern art for it's secularism. I don't think that's the reason they picked it out to buy and put on their walls. Maybe it easily spread in the conservative Christian world because if they go to church, go to someone's house for dinner, see the paintings, ask about it, and then want one. Not some anti-secular art thing. So, where's the info?

Edited January 26, 2010 by chri'stina

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I'm not trying to be argumentative but do you have more info about that? I do know people who like/d his work a lot, for the cozy aspect of it. The glow and all. I just question the reason you are saying, because of shielding themselves from modern art for it's secularism. I don't think that's the reason they picked it out to buy and put on their walls. Maybe it easily spread in the conservative Christian world because if they go to church, go to someone's house for dinner, see the paintings, ask about it, and then want one. Not some anti-secular art thing. So, where's the info?

MC never has more info about that.

[chri'stina 190]

I meant it towards Steven.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I'm not trying to be argumentative but do you have more info about that? I do know people who like/d his work a lot, for the cozy aspect of it. The glow and all. I just question the reason you are saying, because of shielding themselves from modern art for it's secularism. I don't think that's the reason they picked it out to buy and put on their walls. Maybe it easily spread in the conservative Christian world because if they go to church, go to someone's house for dinner, see the paintings, ask about it, and then want one. Not some anti-secular art thing. So, where's the info?

His work has been featured by Christian Art stores and marketed as Christian Art, yet interestingly, the paintings show nothing different in terms of subject matter from other landscape artists. So what is the Christian angle? That he's Christian? Certainly, he's not the only Christian painter out there. Stina, even though I'm a Catholic, a lot of my closest friends growing up were Protestant, and I attended a lot of their services. I even got into the Christian rock of the 80's (Steven Taylor, Michael W. Smith, Barnabas, The 77's). There's nothing wrong with a group like Switchfoot marketing themselves Christian, but I'm confused as to what Kinkade's Christianity brings to his paintings. You have to admit, there are a lot Christians who are wary or skeptical about what kind of art they expose themselves to (music, paintings, etc.). I understand the logic, but I think it's erroneous to assume that one cannot find spiritual inspiration even in something that falls under the label, secular.

Edited January 26, 2010 by Galt's gallstones

[chri'stina 190]

The part I was really questioning was "People who typically shielded themselves from most modern art because of it's apparent secularism." That's the part I am just not quite as sure about. First you'd have to assume they care much about modern art in the first place. A lot of people just don't like the look of it, Christian or not. I am not opposing what you wrote about Christian marketing, and I'll even add people just wanting what others have as a fad.

Edited January 26, 2010 by chri'stina

[Peikko 1,575]

I don't know that anyone here was Calling for art to be destroyed?

I am perfectly fine with others seeing Art where I don't, and havn't we all grown to appreciate some forms or styles of art we earlier didn't?

But again don't piss on my leg and tell me it's "performance art".

No one called for art to be destroyed. Joe wished that the piece featured in the OP, a Picasso, had been destroyed rather than merely ripped seemingly because he didn't classify it as art. Six didn't say that anyone had called for art to be destroyed, he said what is your position on seeing work you do not like/understand being destroyed. You seem to be fine with allowing art that you don't like/understand to remain for others to enjoy if they so choose. That seems perfectly normal to me, even while you do like to sneer on things you do not understand

Actually, it's so much easier to say what it isn't.

Go on then, tell me what it isn't.

[chri'stina 190]

For Steven-

Just adding my clarification to my post because sometimes it's hard to get across what I mean on the internet without writing a really long thing. I don't want to be misunderstood. What I agree with you on is that the Christian world(stores, churches even perhaps) did promote KinKade, and yes his faith had to do with it. But what I don't agree with is that it means those people typically, as you said, shield themselves from modern art due to it's apparent secularism. Unless there was a poll asking people why they bought it, then there would be fact. Christians don't all grow up one way or just shielded or non-artistic, which I am sure you agree with.

[Peikko 1,575]

I think it is down to the collectible question, not to those who are buying a piece simply to stick on their wall and look nice.

At least, that is the impression I got from reading what Steven wrote. I don't know though.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Naturally if you're of the view that the education system is irredeemably corrupt and brainwashes kids into liberalism, you're not going to give art theory the time of day.

Makes me think that a good many these militant self-identified conservative types are as much concerned with (or rather obsessed by) class struggle, rather than the traditional values they allegedly espouse.

Education? = liberal poison (#### it)

Media? = liberal lies (don't f*cking believe anything you hear or read)

Black history month? = black privilege at the expense of whites (#### 'em)

Unemployed? = your fault (#### you)

No health insurance? = your fault (#### you)

Welfare? = get your hand of my pocket (and #### off while you're doing it)

Foreign Aid? = why spend money on idiots who can't build a house properly? (#### 'em)

Art? = meaningless shite (#### it in the ####### and smear ####### on it)

Edited January 26, 2010 by Gene Hunt

[chri'stina 190]

Well I just think some people are assuming about conservative Christians...as if saying conservative Christian means militant weird person? There are plenty of conservative Christian well educated people who got education in secular colleges. I really hope people aren't assuming every far right winger on VJ represents conservatives or conservative Christians! Maybe you should meet more of them in real life.