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Everyone talking about epidurals, pain-free labor, and men going to work the next day really needs to stfu, you have no idea what you're talking about. :wacko:

Next day??? H e ll NO! I am taking off 12 weeks paid family and medical leave!!!!!!! What a country!!!!!!!!!!!

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Here's a thought--if you are against abortion, then DON'T have one.

Similarly, if you abhor homosexual activity, don't engage in it.

Stop telling others how to live their lives.

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If you are against guns...don't own one! If you like hybrid cars...buy one. If you think fois gras is cruel...don't eat it! Be a vegetarian, a vegan, gay lesbian, transgender, all mixed up, buy a vibrator or not, watch porn on your home computer, recycle your bodily waste, drink alcohol, smoke pot, do anything you damn wll please with consenting adults in your own home, church or back yard and leave ME the heck out of it!!!!!!!!

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baiting is a no-no

baiting an ex-mod is.... just stupid :lol:

:P

Coakley lost. I'll admit it, I was wrong. It's been known to happen once in a blue moon.

Next day??? H e ll NO! I am taking off 12 weeks paid family and medical leave!!!!!!! What a country!!!!!!!!!!!

FMLA is not paid.

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Morals are not laws, on this we agree.

I suggested Laws are derived from a consciences of group morality.

Why else would what defines Rape, underage-sex, divorce, self defense, capital punishment, change from state to state and from country to country.

Even simple things as "theft", while we see it as law, in other cultures the thief is not wrong YOU ARE for not safeguarding or defending your property.

Morals

Definition:

1. involving right and wrong: relating to issues of right and wrong and to how individual people should behave

2. derived from personal conscience: based on what somebody's conscience suggests is right or wrong, rather than on what rules or the law says should be done

3. according to common standard of justice: regarded in terms of what is known to be right or just, as opposed to what is officially or outwardly declared to be right or just

a moral victory.

4. encouraging goodness and decency: giving guidance on how to behave decently and honorably

5. good by accepted standards: good or right, when judged by the standards of the average person or society at large

6. able to tell right from wrong: able to distinguish right from wrong and to make decisions based on that knowledge

7. based on personal conviction: based on an inner conviction, in the absence of physical proof

moral certainty

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Again we base our laws.... on our "collective" morals.

The simple -Right and Wrong.

If this were not true, all states and countries would have nearly identical laws.

every living thing on the planet knows right from wrong, I do not need your definition to live my life. I do not know and do not care what most laws say as ...well, why would I? Is it illegal to rob a bank? Steal my neighbors lawn mower? Why would I care? I don't so those things and not because of the "law". People that DO those things don't care about laws either. The main reason laws vary around the world is because most countries allow one religion or another to control their laws, this is a mistake. Religion belongs in the church, not in our laws.

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:P

Coakley lost. I'll admit it, I was wrong. It's been known to happen once in a blue moon.

FMLA is not paid.

Dang it!!! I'm not getting pregnant then!

baiting is a no-no

baiting an ex-mod is.... just stupid :lol:

Question asked respectfully and answered graciously.

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every living thing on the planet knows right from wrong, I do not need your definition to live my life. I do not know and do not care what most laws say as ...well, why would I? Is it illegal to rob a bank? Steal my neighbors lawn mower? Why would I care? I don't so those things and not because of the "law". People that DO those things don't care about laws either. The main reason laws vary around the world is because most countries allow one religion or another to control their laws, this is a mistake. Religion belongs in the church, not in our laws.

So we agree on that one point after all.

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I am absolutely against abortion except in cases of incest or rape or risk of the life of the mother.

You don't want a baby? Don't have sex or use contraception.

MHO.

I'm sorry but I firmly believe it's a child, not a choice.

here is where the moral judgements always fall apart. The fetus is a CHILD, or it is NOT a child. it cannot be that SOME fetuses are children and SOME fetuses are not. Choose.

You say that under these two circumstances (only) the fetus is NOT a child but a "choice". Why? We do not KILL the rapist! Why would we kill his child? Why can the mother kill the child of a man that puts his sperm in her ####### without her consent? Is it not a child? Maybe because she will "suffer mentaly" Maybe. Can you decide that, or should SHE decide that? Or do you propose that a woman raped should be required to kill the child? But what about other sperm placed there against her will? The condom breaks? Her husband is supposed to pull that thing out and shoot the rooster juice somewhere else but...oops. THAT child she HAS to bring to term, but the one from sperm deposited by the rapist she has the choice to kill or not. Good news for the child, eh? Is the sperm guilty? Is the child guilty? The rapist will be out on parole in 5 years and the child will be murdered, but you say it is OK. This fits YOUR morals. What about the life of the mother, can she have a choice then or she has to die so the child can live?

Incest. The majority of incest is consensual. What isn't consensual is rape. See above for rape. Again, why should the child be killed? There is little evidence of birth defects from incestuous relationships (thoiugh it is marginally higher) and the practice has served well the Royal families of many countries for centuries.

The problem with these moral "laws" is that they simply replace YOUR morlas for MINE in the matter of LAW and that is very dangerous.

For example, if you are racist and do not want to marry outside your race...that is your choice. Shoudl the law say you can't? Shpuld we be forced to not eat meat on Friday...by law? Or is this something we can choose for ourselves? If your church does not want to perform same sex marriages in their facilities...don't. The members of the church ought to decide that, but the government shoud issue a marriage license just the same.

Please, keep your morals to youself. I promise I will not push for laws requiring you to own a gun or even for laws to force the government to pay for a gun for you if you want it...even though it IS a right. I will live my life and leave you alone and you live your life and leave me alone. I will pay for MY family's medical care, and you pay for your family's medical care. OK? You can go to any church you want on Sunday (or Saturday or Friday) and I will sleep late. You pray to whoever you want and I won't. Deal?

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So we agree on that one point after all.

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Of course. I never said religions do not influence laws, clearly they do. What I say is that it is wrong. Religions should impose their beliefs on their believers who should follow the rules and "laws" of the religion they practice...or don't practice it. But they should have no ability to influence the laws affecting all people. Big mistake. we attempt to have separation of church and state in this country, but it doesn't quite work that way. Close, but no cigar.

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:lol:

Hey, maybe if it were paid there'd be fewer abortions.

It would. Works in ghettos all over America!

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Anyone want to speculate why the decisive shift has taken place in this normally more socially liberal demographic?

Well one reason is that birth control is now readily available in many different forms and there is something called the morning after pill which also is readily available. (and it's not just the morning after, up to 5 days after) - which is not an abortion pill BTW for anyone who isn't clear on this, it just stops you from releasing an egg so no conception can take place.

Both of these things are available from Planned Parenthood as well as other sources. For those with no insurance / little income, these services can be given to you for free.

I always thought it was immoral, I just would see grey areas (women being raped etc). Now with the morning after pill being an option, and being offered to rape victims in the hospital as part of their treatment, I don't see why anyone would do this.

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You've stated something as fact, so I am confident you have the data to back it up.

I'd love to see it.

take the whole statement and come back to me. I said...

"The majority of incest is consensual. The rest is rape." Please tell me how that could be wrong? Exactly WHAT data would you like me to show that consensual sex is consensual and non-consensual is rape? What a ridiculous question. Totally daft. It is a fact, sex which is not consensual is rape. Danno has a deifintion for it somewhere I am sure...ask him your silly question.

if you want to debate something, then please do so intelligently and not by tryng to twist another's words into what you want it to say. if you cannot challenge me on what I say, maybe best to not do so. I will not bandy words with someone that cannot argue intelligently

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